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    Re: Remembering Katyn, 70 years later

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Why in hell would any sane person expect Gorbachev to apologize for something he had nothing what ever to do with.

    I am always curious why idiots expect people to apologize for things they had nothing to do with.

    It's a meaningless idiotic gesture like apologizing for slavery today. Am I sorry it happened? Sure but I didn't have one damn thing to do with it. Neither did any of my poor ancestors and I can't apologize for what they did anyway.

    It's been pretty much been an open secret that this massacre was carried out but the Russians from the start I believe.

    Stalin managed to kill over 20 million of his own people and this was merely a blip on the radar of time.

    It serves no real purpose other than setting the history books straight and maybe make one or two very old people feel better for a few minutes, but it changes nothing.
    Are you going to or have you told the Jewish people that the Germans should not have appologized for the Holocasut. And hold on also since the German who were not adults during WW II had nothing to do with killing Jews why should they pat reapartions ?? Are you ready to or have you already to tell the Jews that when iot comes to the Holocaust - "FORGET A BOUT IT " -t's just history - who cares !! What is a few million dead Jews among friends anyways.
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    Re: Remembering Katyn, 70 years later

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Are you going to or have you told the Jewish people that the Germans should not have apologized for the Holocaust. And hold on also since the German who were not adults during WW II had nothing to do with killing Jews why should they pat reparations ?? Are you ready to or have you already to tell the Jews that when it comes to the Holocaust - "FORGET A BOUT IT " -it’s just history - who cares !! What is a few million dead Jews among friends anyways.
    Punishing the individuals among the German population who performed the heinous acts is reasonable.
    Perhaps reparations by the German people of the time, for allowing such a regime to keep power, are somewhat reasonable.

    Anything of the sort now would be unreasonable.

    See, there's this thing called time.
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    Re: Remembering Katyn, 70 years later

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Punishing the individules among the German population who performed the henious acts is reasonable.
    Perhaps repartions by the German people of the time, for allowing such a regime to keep power, are somewhat reasonable.

    Anything of the sort now would be unreasonable.

    See, there's this thing called time.
    There is also a thing called learning from history and not repeating the wrongs. To be honest I was reacting to what I pecieved that many people want us to just forget what happened and that it did not matter.

    As far as repariions and time I do have aprobelm with that. The Germans did need to pay repartaions but as for how long I thing that it has been going on too long. Was it practical to have just those Gremans who were adults during the Nazi period pay I do not believe so.

    The other factor is if the Gremans were forced to pay reparations to the Jews and a minor amount of non Jews why were not the Russians made to pay repartions for the non Russian peoples that they murdered!!

    Isn't there a loss of fairness here ? Are only Jewish lives worth something and no one elses ?

    What do you think ?
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    Re: Remembering Katyn, 70 years later

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    There is also a thing called learning from history and not repeating the wrongs. To be honest I was reacting to what I pecieved that many people want us to just forget what happened and that it did not matter.

    As far as repariions and time I do have aprobelm with that. The Germans did need to pay repartaions but as for how long I thing that it has been going on too long. Was it practical to have just those Gremans who were adults during the Nazi period pay I do not believe so.

    The other factor is if the Gremans were forced to pay reparations to the Jews and a minor amount of non Jews why were not the Russians made to pay repartions for the non Russian peoples that they murdered!!

    Isn't there a loss of fairness here ? Are only Jewish lives worth something and no one elses ?

    What do you think ?
    And how the hell do you think anyone could have MADE russia pay anyone anything if they didn't want to, at that time?
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    Re: Remembering Katyn, 70 years later

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    And how the hell do you think anyone could have MADE russia pay anyone anything if they didn't want to, at that time?
    It's not just the making those schucknyki pay the fact is that all the Western govenments turned their backs on all of the peoples who Russians murdered and didn't even acknowledge that the Russians had committed act of barabarism. I understand that the Western Allies decided that they needed the Reds/Russians to defeat Germany during WW II but for God's sake they sent displaced peoples back into Soviet hand via OPERATION Keelhaul after WW II. My own parents were almost sent back into the Soviet hands and would have maybe grown up in Siberia if I was not executed by a Russian NKVD slug AT AGE 2 . We did not need to keep cooperating with dirtbags after WW II.
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    Re: Remembering Katyn, 70 years later

    The ugliest part of World War II from the Allies was how FDR and Churchill made so many promises to the Poles, only to look the other way as Russian soldiers raped and pillaged their way through that region as their supposed "liberators", then took half their land after the war.

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    Re: Remembering Katyn, 70 years later

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The ugliest part of World War II from the Allies was how FDR and Churchill made so many promises to the Poles, only to look the other way as Russian soldiers raped and pillaged their way through that region as their supposed "liberators", then took half their land after the war.
    It wasn't just the Poles it was vitually every Eastern European country that the Russians raped and pillaged. Do you know that Russian troops shot and killed German farmers because the Russians thought that the Greman farmers were stealing the potatoes that the ignorant Russians were "washing" in the toilet. True story : Russian troops stole potatoes from German farmers and tried to "wash" the potatoes in toilets and when the potatoes flushed away the Russians shot the Greman farmers for "stealing the potatoes that the Russians stole in the first place. Some day I will post the story of how the Russian troops stole wrist watches from the Hungarians since the Russians did not have wrist watches. Another trrue story about our "allies".
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    Re: Remembering Katyn, 70 years later

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Methinks you should change your name to "107%HyperPartisan".

    Although I agree that, as far as my historical knowledge of that incident goes, it was a horrific atrocity...blaming all of Russia and all Russians for it is unreasonable.
    Russian guns wielded by Russian Secret Police using Russian ammunition.

    Ordered by STALIN who was President of RUSSIA at that time.

    Seems pretty obvious it was a RUSSIAN act.

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