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    Re: AP sources: FBI arrests man for threatening Pelosi

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Fox News and the Tea Party gets an honorable mention for spewing bull**** that was destined to demand fear and anger from people too irrational to decrypt entertainment from fact.
    Huh? There's no mention of either in the article. Do you something relevant to add, or are you just making **** up?
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    Re: AP sources: FBI arrests man for threatening Pelosi

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    It's typical of both sides, Coronado. If this was a Republican who was threatened, many of the conservatives on the board would come out and say it was a liberal who did it, even in the absence of any evidence.

    It's pretty stupid, actually. Those that do acts like this aren't real conservatives or liberals. They're just extremist nutjobs. Regular folk from both sides wouldn't want to associate with them, or claim them... though extremists would.
    But extremist's ideology comes from right and left, like ELF. Of course liberals would never claim them, but their political bent comes from the left. The nut in the OP didn't like health care reform. Now from which side of the political spectrum would he most likely come from?

    The thing is, to actively denounce them. I notice a reluctance in some quarters of the right, to do that. Why won't the Tea Party folks denounce the racists and loons that attend their events?

    Even here, someone has posted they would like to see Pelosi returned to the "ecology". When folks from the conservative side of the spectrum won't denounce the loons, it leads us to believe they condone the behavior and thus are welcome in their ranks.
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    Re: AP sources: FBI arrests man for threatening Pelosi

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    But extremist's ideology comes from right and left, like ELF. Of course liberals would never claim them, but their political bent comes from the left. The nut in the OP didn't like health care reform. Now from which side of the political spectrum would he most likely come from?

    The thing is, to actively denounce them. I notice a reluctance in some quarters of the right, to do that. Why won't the Tea Party folks denounce the racists and loons that attend their events?

    Even here, someone has posted they would like to see Pelosi returned to the "ecology". When folks from the conservative side of the spectrum won't denounce the loons, it leads us to believe they condone the behavior and thus are welcome in their ranks.
    You're missing the point, Gina. Extremists on either side of the spectrum don't denounce their own. Left or right, or any issue, when you see someone act in an extreme, or extremely partisan way, watch who supports them. They are the hacks. And when something non-partisan occurs, watch who turns it partisan. Those are the hacks. People who do not fall into the extreme category will denounce the extremists that adhere to their lean, but just because they don't DOESN'T mean they support them. Sometimes it just doesn't make sense to give an idiot attention.
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    Re: AP sources: FBI arrests man for threatening Pelosi

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You're missing the point, Gina. Extremists on either side of the spectrum don't denounce their own. Left or right, or any issue, when you see someone act in an extreme, or extremely partisan way, watch who supports them. They are the hacks. And when something non-partisan occurs, watch who turns it partisan. Those are the hacks. People who do not fall into the extreme category will denounce the extremists that adhere to their lean, but just because they don't DOESN'T mean they support them. Sometimes it just doesn't make sense to give an idiot attention.

    Given the negative attention that the Tea Party is getting from racists and other nutters attending their events, why wouldn't they simply denounce them? How does it make sense to stay quite?
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    Re: AP sources: FBI arrests man for threatening Pelosi

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well, no, that is not true. You just cannot go threatening to kill people.
    They're not people, they're politicians.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: AP sources: FBI arrests man for threatening Pelosi

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They're not people, they're politicians.
    That's an unfortunate comment, too.

    Dehumanizing politicians doesn't advance the politics; it degrades it.
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    Re: AP sources: FBI arrests man for threatening Pelosi

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    That's an unfortunate comment, too.

    Dehumanizing politicians doesn't advance the politics; it degrades it.
    That's an unfortunate comment too

    Being unable to discern obvious sarcasm doesn't advance debate, it makes one look foolish.
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    Re: AP sources: FBI arrests man for threatening Pelosi

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    True !! yet the predominate cases of lethal or deadly threatening whackism in the last few years has been from the extreme right. You can argue that the Code \Pink idiot women are more "lefter" than "righter' yet they have not been much more than Aholes on Parade
    "predominate cases"

    I'm not sure what you mean by that. I could make a few guesses but I prefer that you clarify.
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    Re: AP sources: FBI arrests man for threatening Pelosi

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Given the negative attention that the Tea Party is getting from racists and other nutters attending their events, why wouldn't they simply denounce them? How does it make sense to stay quite?
    You'd have to ask them. I can see the point of not wanting to give folks like this any more press than they are getting. I can also see the positives of public denouncement. It could go either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: AP sources: FBI arrests man for threatening Pelosi

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    It's typical of both sides, Coronado. If this was a Republican who was threatened, many of the conservatives on the board would come out and say it was a liberal who did it, even in the absence of any evidence.

    It's pretty stupid, actually. Those that do acts like this aren't real conservatives or liberals. They're just extremist nutjobs. Regular folk from both sides wouldn't want to associate with them, or claim them... though extremists would.
    Actually, there was another recent thread where there was evidence some extremists are embraced by the mainstream. Apparently there was a film about the possible assassination of GWB that was embraced by the mainstream left. I don't know if you consider President Obama to be "regular folk" but he has associated with people like Van Jones, Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers. I've seen the same pattern with my friends and relatives who are liberals. They try to find the nutjobs on the far right in an effort to demonize every person and every policy which is right of center. It's the old guilt by association trick. You'd think that they might want to coverup the nutjobs on their own side, but far from it. Those people are their heroes.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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