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    Re: DA: sex ed could get teachers arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Some token minority of students will have sex, sure, but endorsing it will encourage many more to risk unwanted pregnancy then there would have been had you not.
    Education and endorsement are two very different things.

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    Re: DA: sex ed could get teachers arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Teens are gona smoke, too, so it follows you support free Marlboro Lights handed out at the school..."they're going to smoke anyway...
    Actually, the better analogy would be, "Teens are gonna smoke, so let's give them some nicotine gum to quit." We're talking about education in the use of contraceptives for prevention in pregnancies and sexually transmitted disease. It's important to remember that.

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    Re: DA: sex ed could get teachers arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Of course not. I think I had a woodie my entire teenage existence. LOL

    However, doesn't talking about sex in a classroom of teenagers somewhat excuse it in a "you can't help yourself, so this is how you do it correctly" kind of way?
    I think it depends how you teach it honestly.

    If you teach it going, literally "Look, we know you kids are going to have sex. We know you're going to do this. All we ask is you do it safely, and this is how", yeah, that excuses it. You're going to have a number of kids that would've previously possibly abstained for longer than they will now because of it.

    HOWEVER

    I also think if you go there and say "Having sex is bad. Abstinence works every time. Just don't have sex and you're fine. IF you have sex you're almost definitely going to get the girl pregnant and probably going to get an STD. Just don't have sex, okay, sex is bad unless you're married. Don't do it." then you'll also have problems. There's going to be kids that do it now just to spite authority, to be rebels. There's also going to be kids that honestly were trying but puberty, hormones, and being a kid get the best of them and opportunity arises and not only do they not know what to do but they become so paranoid over it it makes the situation more unhealthy for them mentally.

    NEITHER way is optimal. Both I think are pushed by people who...to be frank...don't give two ****s about the kids and actually care about their side "winning" the political point.

    What is optimal is telling kids that abstinence is the best way to avoid the legitimate and realistic consequences, emotionally and physically, that can come with sex and abstaining until later in life will be of benefit. However teaching them that when that time comes that they do engage in it that they should go about it in a safe manner, both in regards to birth control and actions. By actions I'm not talking about "how to give a blowjob", but the risks of overly promiscuous sex, the fact some STD's can be transfered in other ways than conventional sex, the benefits of a committed relationship, etc. Finally, stressing that while sex is a large responsibility and can have life altering impacts that it is not bad, or evil, or wrong, but simply something that is not to be taken lightly and frivolously.

    Those that have a legitimate chance at being inspired by an abstinence message are in large part likely to still be inspired by it in such a course. So for those kids, you do them a service by not forgoing suggesting that abstinence at a young age is best.

    Those that are unlikely to be touched by an abstinence message are given knowledge on how to be safER when/if they do what they would've done anyways under abstinence only education, which does a service to them by increasing the likelihood that a portion of them does it safER.

    Those that are likely to do it simply to rebel have less of a rally point now than in abstinence only. Those that are easily influenced by the acceptance of adults wouldn't be as apt to go forth and sow their wild oats than in a primarily birth control focused curriculum. And those that could honestly go either way but are average teenagers, filled with hormones, that may not even plan for it to happen but it does have knowledge at least on how to do it safER and remove some of the possible mental issues of them torturing themselves for doing something horrible, evil, wrong, etc.

    Notice I use safER because it should be stressed that "safe sex" is not guaranteed, but is more akin to air bags and seat belts. They offer protection and increase the likelihood that the bad stuff doesn't hit you, but that doesn't mean it is full proof.

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    Re: DA: sex ed could get teachers arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    At 14? Really?
    Yes. At 14. 'Really'. Explain what is 'unnatural' about it if you please. Explain why it is more 'unnatural' than say 'talking' or 'walking' or taking a ****.
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    Re: DA: sex ed could get teachers arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What is optimal is telling kids that abstinence is the best way to avoid the legitimate and realistic consequences, emotionally and physically, that can come with sex and abstaining until later in life will be of benefit. However teaching them that when that time comes that they do engage in it that they should go about it in a safe manner, both in regards to birth control and actions. By actions I'm not talking about "how to give a blowjob", but the risks of overly promiscuous sex, the fact some STD's can be transfered in other ways than conventional sex, the benefits of a committed relationship, etc. Finally, stressing that while sex is a large responsibility and can have life altering impacts that it is not bad, or evil, or wrong, but simply something that is not to be taken lightly and frivolously.
    You just reminded me of one more reason why I support comprehensive sex education for our teenagers - it's so that they'll be better prepared to make decisions when they're adults.

    While having sex as a teenager with a teenager may be illegal in a number of states, two adults having sex isn't illegal. And the reason why I want teenagers to have comprehensive sex education is so that they will be fully educated and prepared when they reach adulthood.

    I mean many opponents of comprehensive sex education say, "Oh, it'll increase pregnancy rates of teenagers!" Well, I'm more worried about pregnancy rates of young adults aged 18-25. I don't think people should be having kids when they're teenagers and I don't think they should be having kids when they're 18-25 because that's when they're starting out on their own and learning about the real world and trying to establish a foundation for independence for themselves. They have to go to college or apprentice to a trade. And that means either student loans which means a lot of debt or earning minimum wage which isn't enough to cover all the bills.

    That's another reason why I want people to gain comprehensive sex education as teenagers - so they can practice it as adults.

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    Re: DA: sex ed could get teachers arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    A comprehensive sex education program has been found to be the most effective method in preventing teenage pregnancy and STD's. Absintence only has been found to be less effective than this, as has NO sex education. The latter disproves the point that it should be left to the parents, only. When it is, it is not effective, as some parents do not do an adequate job. This effects society in general, with an increase in teenage pregnancy, STD's, folks with lower incomes, and abortions. I can think of no evidence that would convince me that this is not the most effective method towards assisting young people. And the assumption that this endorses sexual behavior is ridiculous. It TEACHES sex education, it does not teach values.
    Why didn't we have rampant pregnancies during the Colonial Era?
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    Re: DA: sex ed could get teachers arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why didn't we have rampant pregnancies during the Colonial Era?
    We did have teen pregnancies during the Colonial Era. Only back then we allowed teenagers to marry first.

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    Re: DA: sex ed could get teachers arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    We did have teen pregnancies during the Colonial Era. Only back then we allowed teenagers to marry first.
    No one said we didn't have pregnancies, we're talking about it being a huge problem.
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    Re: DA: sex ed could get teachers arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Education and endorsement are two very different things.
    The information is presented in the context that teen sex is perfectly acceptable in every case. No regard is given to over-sexualized teens or other high-risk demographics. There is no cultural context for sexual activity given.

    This is why sex-ed should be available at alternative 3rd party sources.

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    Re: DA: sex ed could get teachers arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Actually, the better analogy would be, "Teens are gonna smoke, so let's give them some nicotine gum to quit."
    You're saying that schools give out condoms to help teens stop having sex.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    We're talking about education in the use of contraceptives for prevention in pregnancies and sexually transmitted disease. It's important to remember that.
    See that you do, then.

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