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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    You won't get any argument from me.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So we must read terrorist from other countries miranda rights and give them trials in NY but a citizen can be assassinated? It just seems that muslims from other countries have more rights here then we do according to Obama
    When in reality you agree with killing Anwar, right?
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    I'd hate to think that any eventual downfall was the result of Americans being top notch and overly fair. There needs to be some degree of ruthlessness to assure our continued success.

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    When in reality you agree with killing Anwar, right?
    Does not matter what I believe. The point is Obama holds Muslim terrorist in a higher light then he does US citizens. Obama gives the foreign terrorist more rights than US citizens

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    I'd hate to think that any eventual downfall was the result of Americans being top notch and overly fair. There needs to be some degree of ruthlessness to assure our continued success.
    Like the treaty Obama went to sign with Russia?

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    I'm not saying the GOVT should be able to arbitrarily strip citizenship for any reason. But a terrorist who has plotted against the US can hardly expect sympathy.
    But it then sounds as if that's exactly the argument you want to make. Because who designates "terrorist"? It's not us, it's the government. If you're saying that once designated a "terrorist", one shouldn't expect the protections of the Constitution; then you are saying it's up to the government to apply at their digression the namesake "terrorist" and once doing so remove themselves from the constraints and rules of the Constitution.
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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But it then sounds as if that's exactly the argument you want to make. Because who designates "terrorist"? It's not us, it's the government. If you're saying that once designated a "terrorist", one shouldn't expect the protections of the Constitution; then you are saying it's up to the government to apply at their digression the namesake "terrorist" and once doing so remove themselves from the constraints and rules of the Constitution.
    I think you just blew my mind.

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Does not matter what I believe. The point is Obama holds Muslim terrorist in a higher light then he does US citizens. Obama gives the foreign terrorist more rights than US citizens
    Who would you feel stands a better chance in an American court an American citizen who speaks perfect English, and radicalized by a foreign religious ideology or a middle-eastern picked up in a hovel who speaks enough English to spew hatred in any tongue?


    Think about it.
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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    If I could follow what the hell you were talking about, I'd respond.
    You asked: How is it not a violation of the 5th Amendment to hunt down and execute an American citizen without a trial?

    Your question presupposes that unlawful combatants (as defined by the Geneva Conventions) are entitled to a trial, which they are not. Article Six of the Constitution incorporates treaties made under the authority of the US government and gives them the full force of law; in this case, the Geneva Conventions, and not the Fifth Amendment, would be the relevant legal text in determining the status of the Cleric.

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That doesn't state that treaties are made a part of the Constitution.
    What is "the supreme law of the land" if not the Constitution?

    Also, did you notice that Article Six lists those three things in order of supremacy: Constitution, Laws of the United States, Treaties.
    It makes no mention of importance or supremacy. It simply says that the Constitution, legislation, and treaties are "the supreme law of the land".

    The quoted portion also clearly states that laws which contradict treaties supersede those treaties.
    1. Where's the contradiction?

    2. It makes no mention of superseding. It simply says judges will by bound by them, contrary laws notwithstanding.

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