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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    The problem is... it's nigh impossible to serve him with an arrest warrant in Yemen. Pity the poor FBI agent who draws this crappy assignment.
    That's probably why smart criminals who which to evade capture make their way to countries which do not have extradition treaties with the United States.

    That doesn't mean we get to go mow them down instead.
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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Kind of hard to determine if a person is a criminal without a trial, huh.
    Yea, it all gets complicated, doesn't it? But we are America, and we will do what is right. If this guy does a suicide attack, then let's invade Tajikistan this time.
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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Osama Bin Laden has nothing to do with this discussion seeing as he's not a US citizen.
    He was given as an example to an active threat, an active threat that you believed would only exist once he would strap a bomb to his chest and explode in a massive crowd.
    As long as due process is followed I have no problem with the removal of active threats.
    And due process has been followed.
    When a citizen of the US is opening fire on federal police officers, he is an active threat to them, and they are allowed to return fire.

    When a citizen of the US plans the murder of innocent American civilians, he is an active threat to the American nation, and it is allowed to take him down.
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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    The Geneva Conventions are part of the US Constitution and govern the conduct of warfare.
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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yea, it all gets complicated, doesn't it? But we are America, and we will do what is right. If this guy does a suicide attack, then let's invade Tajikistan this time.

    The point is that someone who knowingly violates other's natural rights, and then flees the law, is not protected under the law.
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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    And due process has been followed.
    Is that right? You should have no problem listing the relevant steps taken by the US Government to give this citizen due process, then.

    When a citizen of the US plans the murder of innocent American civilians, he is an active threat to the American nation, and it is allowed to take him down.
    What about the 5th Amendment?
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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    Article Six: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
    That doesn't state that treaties are made a part of the Constitution.

    Also, did you notice that Article Six lists those three things in order of supremacy: Constitution, Laws of the United States, Treaties.

    The quoted portion also clearly states that laws which contradict treaties supersede those treaties.
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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Is that right? You should have no problem listing the relevant steps taken by the US Government to give this citizen due process, then.
    Locate the citizen, determine if he's an active threat to the American nation or not, determine if it is logical to attempt an arrest, if not, destroy citizen.
    End of process.
    What about the 5th Amendment?
    What about it?
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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Also, it is PAINFULLY HILARIOUS that the Geneva Convention was brought up as a justification for executing this guy.

    When the Geneva Convention was brought up as a good reason not to detain illegal combatants indefinitely, laughter was the response.

    Now it's being cited as a justification for exexcuting someone?

    Oh, brother.
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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Locate the citizen, determine if he's an active threat to the American nation or not, determine if it is logical to attempt an arrest, if not, destroy citizen.
    Let's try that again, according to American law:

    1. Ascertain as to whether or not there is sufficient evidence to suspect someone in the comission of a crime
    2. Obtain arrest warrant
    3. Locate the citizen
    4. Attempt to arrest the citizen without bloodshed -- if he resists with lethal force, take care of business
    5. Take the citizen into custody
    6. Remand citizen and let the courts do their thing


    Ta da.
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