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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    ^^
    This.

    I think it's wrong for any government to order the execution of one of its citizens without due process. Wrong and scary.
    Scary to whom?
    Who exactly should be scared from such a policy?

    Certainly not the regular law-abiding citizen.
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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    they are? which amendment?
    Article Six: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    Article Six: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

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    Article Six incorporates all treaties made under the authority of the United States and gives them the force of law.






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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I know that. It was a trick question.
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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Current US law says that foreign military service will result in loss of US citizenship if the person served as an officer (commissioned or non-commissioned) or the foreign military force is engaged in hostilities against the US; the service was voluntary; and (most importantly) the person intended to give up his US citizenship.

    Current US policy goes further. Unless a dual citizen is serving in a "policy level position" in a foreign government, commits treason against the US (e.g., by fighting the US voluntarily during wartime), or acts in a manner considered totally inconsistent with any possible intent to keep US citizenship, the State Department is unlikely to take any action. Further, the current policy statement on foreign military service recognizes that dual citizens sometimes find themselves legally obligated to participate in the military forces of their other country of citizenship, and can do so in such situations without endangering their US status.
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    It is up to the State Department to determine whether a US citizen's foreign military activities are in violation of US law. If such activities are indeed viewed as a violation, US citizenship can be stripped.

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Scary to whom?
    Who exactly should be scared from such a policy?

    Certainly not the regular law-abiding citizen.
    I'm a law-abiding citizen and if my government ever authorized something like this it would scare the crap out of me. I don't care what they've done, you DO NOT execute a citizen without due process. Either strip him of his citizenship and THEN kill him (although I'm pretty sure there's some kind of international law against that too) or abide by the law and the Constitution and grant him due process which he has a right to as a citizen.
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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I'm a law-abiding citizen and if my government ever authorized something like this it would scare the crap out of me. I don't care what they've done, you DO NOT execute a citizen without due process. Either strip him of his citizenship and THEN kill him (although I'm pretty sure there's some kind of international law against that too) or abide by the law and the Constitution and grant him due process which he has a right to as a citizen.
    That's the policy when dealing with inactive threats, yes, but we're speaking about an active threat here.

    And you shouldn't be scared of such policies unless you plan on engaging in terrorism against your own nation's people, which I wholeheartedly believe that you won't.
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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That's the policy when dealing with inactive threats, yes, but we're speaking about an active threat here.
    Unless you catch him with a bomb strapped to his chest ready to blow himself up in a crowded mall, he is not an active threat.

    And you shouldn't be scared of such policies unless you plan on engaging in terrorism against your own nation's people, which I wholeheartedly believe that you won't.
    Any policy that strips even the worst of citizens of their constitutionally given rights without due process is wrong and not worthy of a civilized nation.
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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Unless you catch him with a bomb strapped to his chest ready to blow himself up in a crowded mall, he is not an active threat.
    Osama bin-Laden was never caught with a bomb strapped to his chest ready to blow himself up in a crowded mall.

    Your understanding of the meaning of "active threat" is very minimal, to say the least.
    Any policy that strips even the worst of citizens of their constitutionally given rights without due process is wrong and not worthy of a civilized nation.
    I disagree, a policy to remove active threats to the nation's people is a moral policy worthy of a civilized nation.
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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Osama bin-Laden was never caught with a bomb strapped to his chest ready to blow himself up in a crowded mall.

    Your understanding of the meaning of "active threat" is very minimal, to say the least.
    I disagree, a policy to remove active threats to the nation's people is a moral policy worthy of a civilized nation.
    Say the country does something you absolutely disaprove of. (Im not saying it is a possability for you but whatever reason you could think of that would make you disaprove to the max) Whatever is abhorrent to you. And then you decide you cannot pay your taxes do to your morals or maybe even religous obligations. Would that make you qualify for the, "a manner considered totally inconsistent with any possible intent to keep US citizenship." under the right set of percieved people to be targeted with this law? And would that be fair if so?
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