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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    well, they could have tried, at least

    LOL!

    instead of issuing a comprehensive EXPLANATION of fort hood that never mentions the word "islam"

    had intel done its job after fort hood it would have stumbled unmistakably on to significant correspondence with awlaki who was in inspirational contact with mutallab, the jingle bells jihadist

    no leap was attempted

    the president is bizarrely pro muslim

    ask netanyahu
    Do you have evidence that Mutallab's communications with Awlaki were available for investigation? How would we intercept emails between Nigeria and Yemen?

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    how could we find evidence if we didn't even look for it?

    think about it

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    I like how people have managed to talk themselves into thinking that the government being able to kill you without trial is OK under "the right circumstances."

    Health care reform? Slippery slope to communism.

    Targeted killing of American citizens? No way that can get out of hand.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I like how people have managed to talk themselves into thinking that the government being able to kill you without trial is OK under "the right circumstances."

    Health care reform? Slippery slope to communism.

    Targeted killing of American citizens? No way that can get out of hand.




    I like how your blaming us over thkse who would blow your wife and child not to mention you up in a heartbeat. Rules are different in war.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    What? I only get love when you use me to bash Dubya??

    Sincerely,
    Due process

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    At which point it is not warfare. It is genocide, ethnic cleansing, sectarian violence, murder. A crime, not a war.
    It becimes a matter for the GCs when one of the parties is a signatory. What you cite above are criminal actions which take place during a conflict. Murder ethnic clensing genocide etc.



    It is then not war, as I listed above.
    The war in Afghanistan can not be declared as a war because none of the partied in conflict with Afghanistan recognized the Tallaban as the legitimate government. Only Saudi and I think one other nation did.
    However that does not matter as the GCs are rather clear about when and how they apply. Making a formal declaration of war irrelivant.

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    The GC designates lawful combatants, which would imply that anyone deviating from those standards is an unlawful combatant.
    It doesn't. It breaks it down into what you would consider a combatant, a civillian and a criminal. There is no such thing as an illegal combatant.

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    It doesn't. It breaks it down into what you would consider a combatant, a civillian and a criminal. There is no such thing as an illegal combatant.
    The Geneva Conventions stipulates the laws of war. What would you call a combatant who deviates from the laws of war if not an "unlawful combatant"? Furthermore, if we assume that no such designation exists, even implicitly, then such actors are not protected by the Geneva Conventions, and may be treated in whatever manner deemed as necessary by the capturing forces.

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Some of you might be of a mind to cheer, but before you do, consider this:

    By what authority does President Obamacommand the US military?

    That granted by the Constitution.

    How is it not a violation of the 5th Amendment to hunt down and execute an American citizen without a trial?
    Frankly I don't care given the circumstances. And like the others' said, I believe his citizenship was revoked anyway.

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    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    The Geneva Conventions stipulates the laws of war. What would you call a combatant who deviates from the laws of war if not an "unlawful combatant"? Furthermore, if we assume that no such designation exists, even implicitly, then such actors are not protected by the Geneva Conventions, and may be treated in whatever manner deemed as necessary by the capturing forces.
    You are looking at the GCs the wrong way. It is not about how non signatories prosecute war, but about how signatories (i.e. us) do. It classes everyone as either regular or irregular troops, civillians (protected persons) or criminals, and sets the relevant restrictions are placed upon those once captured. But everyone falls into one of these catagories. If there is any doubt about which catagory, they remain Protected Persons until their actual catagory has been defined.

    However, all of these accords (GCII) presuppose that you have the buggers in captivity.

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