Page 10 of 20 FirstFirst ... 89101112 ... LastLast
Results 91 to 100 of 194

Thread: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

  1. #91
    Guru
    F107HyperSabr's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Connecticut
    Last Seen
    10-21-10 @ 09:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    2,617

    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I would be for reading him his rights if he surrendered, but the fact is that he is a dangerous cleric who is hiding in a mountainous region and is surrounded by people who like to shoot Americans. Since when is it illegal to kill a hostile citizen if he is a threat to others?
    I would recomend the Dirty Harry approach - pow ! and now go get your 40 virgins Mr. make believe cleric and bring your viagra since Allah is out of it---
    I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us f107HyperSabr

  2. #92
    Pragmatic Idealist
    upsideguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Rocky Mtn. High
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    10,129

    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Has he lost his citizenship b/c of terrorist activity?
    ...and what court of law made such a determination?

  3. #93
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    melbourne florida
    Last Seen
    09-24-15 @ 12:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    13,156

    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    And so will this terrorist if he isn't killed in the process of detaining him. Obama just made clear that it's fine if we have to kill him.
    Then why spend money on trials just kill all the ones in custody. Unless it is only US citizens we kill

  4. #94
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    melbourne florida
    Last Seen
    09-24-15 @ 12:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    13,156

    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I would be for reading him his rights if he surrendered, but the fact is that he is a dangerous cleric who is hiding in a mountainous region and is surrounded by people who like to shoot Americans. Since when is it illegal to kill a hostile citizen if he is a threat to others?
    So kill US citizens and give foreign terrorist a trial. How many in Gitmo surrendered?

  5. #95
    Bus Driver to Hell
    Thorgasm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Last Seen
    12-14-17 @ 06:57 PM
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    68,198

    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Then why spend money on trials just kill all the ones in custody. Unless it is only US citizens we kill
    Nobody is saying anything about executions in lieu of trials.
    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Being a psychiatric patient does not mean that you are mentally ill.



  6. #96
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    melbourne florida
    Last Seen
    09-24-15 @ 12:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    13,156

    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Nobody is saying anything about executions in lieu of trials.
    No one is calling for killing of foreign terrorist just the ones that are US citizens. Is Obama protecting the Muslims for a reason?

  7. #97
    Bus Driver to Hell
    Thorgasm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Last Seen
    12-14-17 @ 06:57 PM
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    68,198

    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No one is calling for killing of foreign terrorist just the ones that are US citizens. Is Obama protecting the Muslims for a reason?
    Yes, they have the original copy of his birth certificate with Stalin's signature on it.
    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Being a psychiatric patient does not mean that you are mentally ill.



  8. #98
    Shankmasta Killa
    TacticalEvilDan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Western NY and Geneva, CH
    Last Seen
    08-30-15 @ 04:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,444

    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    Your question presupposes that unlawful combatants (as defined by the Geneva Conventions) are entitled to a trial, which they are not. Article Six of the Constitution incorporates treaties made under the authority of the US government and gives them the full force of law; in this case, the Geneva Conventions, and not the Fifth Amendment, would be the relevant legal text in determining the status of the Cleric.
    No, my question presupposes that American citizens are entitled to Constitutional protections when pursued, captured, and detained by any authority of the United States.

    The Constitution supersedes any treaty in matters of American law.

    Ergo, the Constitution applies and the Geneva Conventions do not when it comes to the treatment of American citizens by American authorities.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

  9. #99
    Shankmasta Killa
    TacticalEvilDan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Western NY and Geneva, CH
    Last Seen
    08-30-15 @ 04:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,444

    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    What is "the supreme law of the land" if not the Constitution?
    It absolutely is the Constitution, which is why it is listed first, and not third, in Article VI.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    It makes no mention of importance or supremacy. It simply says that the Constitution, legislation, and treaties are "the supreme law of the land".
    The supremacy is implicit at first, because otherwise federal laws which are judged unConstitutional could not be struck down by the courts.

    The supremacy becomes explicit later in the Article, since it says judges are not bound by treaties in any instance where said treaties contradict the Constitution or federal law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    1. Where's the contradiction?
    5th Amendment. The government cannot deny a citizen of the United States of life, liberty or property without due process.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

  10. #100
    Shankmasta Killa
    TacticalEvilDan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Western NY and Geneva, CH
    Last Seen
    08-30-15 @ 04:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,444

    Re: U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    Here's how I see it...

    He's an American citizen, just like the Hutaree militia weirdos, BUT he left the country with the intention of taking part in an active terror campaign against the United States.
    If I plan to walk into a building and mow down everyone in sight, and the feds caught wind of my plan, I'd be up on charges of conspiracy -- not killed on sight.

    I see no reason why this man, even if he in fact is planning to kill Americans, should be treated any different.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

Page 10 of 20 FirstFirst ... 89101112 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •