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    Re: US court rules against FCC on `net neutrality'

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    In my case, Comcast has only a de-facto monopoly, as no other company is willing to lay the damn cable into my part of neighborhood.
    Why not go DSL?

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    However, in many parts of the country they have franchise agreements with cities for government backed monopolies.
    Yeah... screw that crap. I'm so happy we have lots of options in our area (Cable, Uverse, Satellite (for tv), DSL, etc.).

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    Re: US court rules against FCC on `net neutrality'

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Why not go DSL?


    Yeah... screw that crap. I'm so happy we have lots of options in our area (Cable, Uverse, Satellite (for tv), DSL, etc.).
    You are lucky. I have cable and DSL. It is too rainy for Sat to work properly. Luckily, I signed on with an old ISP that was bought by AT&T but is managed separately and somewhat sanely.

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    Re: US court rules against FCC on `net neutrality'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    AT and T and Timewarner compete here.

    And in north SA there is a third company.

    The problem is, and I understand the problem, if my Company "Vic's Telecom Inc" (VTI) laid down the infrastructure, the cables, routers and what not... letting another company use those resources it like... unacceptable.
    There is no competition here within one particular brand. There is one cable company to choose from, one DSL company, and then satellite. I wouldn't get satellite internet unless it was my ONLY option and I want cable, not DSL.

    So, when it comes to cable, there's Comcast here.

    I would have no issue at all with allowing the companies to impose whatever restrictions they want as long as fair competition is allowed. But as I understand it, it's actually mostly zoning laws and whatnot that prohibit companies from directly competing in most areas.

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    Re: US court rules against FCC on `net neutrality'

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    There is no competition here within one particular brand. There is one cable company to choose from, one DSL company, and then satellite. I wouldn't get satellite internet unless it was my ONLY option and I want cable, not DSL.

    So, when it comes to cable, there's Comcast here.

    I would have no issue at all with allowing the companies to impose whatever restrictions they want as long as fair competition is allowed. But as I understand it, it's actually mostly zoning laws and whatnot that prohibit companies from directly competing in most areas.
    Which is why they should do like in Europe.. force the infrastructure holders to open up their network to others. This opens up to competition, and lowers the entry cost for new competitors.
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    Re: US court rules against FCC on `net neutrality'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Which is why they should do like in Europe.. force the infrastructure holders to open up their network to others. This opens up to competition, and lowers the entry cost for new competitors.
    I am not against that, especially since those companies built their infrastructure with public money.

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    Re: US court rules against FCC on `net neutrality'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Which is why they should do like in Europe.. force the infrastructure holders to open up their network to others. This opens up to competition, and lowers the entry cost for new competitors.
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    That is the way it is done here in Canada, too.
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    Re: US court rules against FCC on `net neutrality'

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    That is the way it is done here in Canada, too.
    That is how they do it in most of the civilized world. The same principle goes for water and power too. There is no need to dig a new water main system or power lines to towns and cities or houses just because there is a completing power producer.

    That is why with the EU in the front, the old monopoly telecommunications companies around Europe were forced to be privatised and sold off in many cases, but also open up the infrastructure to others. Basically it is the copper in the ground that is opened up for a price.

    This has meant (depending on the country.. some are further than others), that internet and telephone prices have fallen dramatically over the last 20 years. For example, I, who live in the 3rd world country of Spain when it comes to telecommunications, have access to the first 5+ wireless internet providers, 4+ satellite providers, 7+ 3G internet providers and if I had a phone line I would have access to 10+ internet providers who have speeds as a minimum of 3 mb, usually far more and I hardly live close to any major town.

    All this due to EU rules on competition within in the telecommunications industry.
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    Re: US court rules against FCC on `net neutrality'

    The way I see it, if the cable companies want to selectively throttle or even censor my traffic, they should have to give up the common carrier protections they have. Basically, if I download illegal material, currently my ISP is not liable for it in any way because they theoretically don't monitor it.

    If they're going to do that, they should become responsible, and therefore liable, for the content they deliver. I bet they drop the net neutrality argument in that case
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    Re: US court rules against FCC on `net neutrality'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The way I see it, if the cable companies want to selectively throttle or even censor my traffic, they should have to give up the common carrier protections they have. Basically, if I download illegal material, currently my ISP is not liable for it in any way because they theoretically don't monitor it.

    If they're going to do that, they should become responsible, and therefore liable, for the content they deliver. I bet they drop the net neutrality argument in that case
    Yeah good idea genius

    "Hey, you ISP's, now you're liable for the illegal acts of those using your service!"

    ISP's: "Fine, all filesharing traffic will be halted. Oh and streaming video will be blocked, and sound..."

    Good thinking, got anymore bright ideas?
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    Re: US court rules against FCC on `net neutrality'

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Taxpayers like me do, and thus we get pissed when Comcast thinks it can take our money to build a cable, sell us information over the cable we bought, and then decide to screw with our internet access that we are paying for, and finally be unable to switch to another ISP because they have a local monopoly.
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