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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Oh good lord. That is such a stupid statement. Like our plans would have any bearing at all on what another country decides to do in a time of war. What the hell does it matter if our plans are public?

    I'm so tired of these cowards.
    Our plans have a very real bearing on what other nations do.
    Consider the act of sanctions on Iran, they are there with the implied threat of something worse if they do not change their policys. Telling them that we will go this far but no further takes away all credibility from the USA. Might as well say ok I am picking up my toys and going home, you guys finish playing without us.

    Do you remember the Iranian hostage crisis? Iran played Jimmy Carter for over a year, and then as soon as Reagan was elected, all of a sudden the hostages were released.
    Do you really think that that was a coincidence?

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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    That seems a bit far-fetched.
    Why? Do all the countries love the US?


    Which enemy are you talking about?
    Anyone who doesn't have a nuke and would like to take advantage of the fact that we are troops are currently fighting two wars.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Oh please, which enemy feels emboldened by Obama's statement,
    Iran

    and how is he restrained by anything he said?

    He is not restrained by what he said, that is not the point. What he has done is to show Americas vulnerability.

    A dog that rolls over on its back can still bite, but is nonetheless showing submission.

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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Whatever one thinks of President Bush's policymaking, President Bush did no such thing. For a summary of the nuclear posture during his Presidency, one can go to:

    Nuclear Posture Review [Excerpts]
    Damn you and your facts DS. I suppose we will be seeing a retraction of the earlier claim on Bush's "statement".
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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why? Do all the countries love the US?
    Of course not. What's your point?

    Anyone who doesn't have a nuke and would like to take advantage of the fact that we are troops are currently fighting two wars.
    So, you think they will launch a devastating biological or chemical attack on the United States in the hope that Obama won't retaliate with nukes? Obama's been known to...go back on his word, if you catch my meaning...
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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    Of course not. What's your point?



    So, you think they will launch a devastating biological or chemical attack on the United States in the hope that Obama won't retaliate with nukes? Obama's been known to...go back on his word, if you catch my meaning...
    I am not worried about Obama going back on his word after we get hit. Its the getting hit part that actually matters.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    He is not restrained by what he said, that is not the point. What he has done is to show Americas vulnerability.

    A dog that rolls over on its back can still bite, but is nonetheless showing submission.
    I wouldn't expect you to understand this, but Obama demonstrated America's strength, not its vulnerability. He moved beyond the bellicose, meaningless threats of the Bush administration, which used movie dialogue and didn't back it up (dead or alive?). Bush's threats to use nuclear weapons placed an unnecessary and inappropriate fear over our international relations, which Obama has removed.
    The circumstances that would lead us to use nuclear weapons are quite narrow, we will not use them to destroy large population centers. If there is a large military base set in a remote spot - perfect application. Nothing Obama said would limit his options, and he certainly would not be tied in a national emergency by his own words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I wouldn't expect you to understand this,]

    Why the insults right off the bat? some kind of debate strategy designed to weaken my argument by showing that only you can understand things?

    [ but Obama demonstrated America's strength, not its vulnerability. He moved beyond the bellicose, meaningless threats of the Bush administration, which used movie dialogue and didn't back it up (dead or alive?). Bush's threats to use nuclear weapons placed an unnecessary and inappropriate fear over our international relations,]

    ASSURE” —“U.S. nuclear forces will continue to provide assurance to security partners, particularly in the presence of known or suspected threats of nuclear, biological, or chemical attacks or in the event of surprising military developments. This assurance can serve to reduce the incentives for friendly countries to acquire nuclear weapons of their own to deter such threats and circumstances. Nuclear capabilities also assure the U.S. public that the United States will not be subject to coercion based on a false perception of U.S. weakness among potential adversaries. (p. 12)

    Quote from the above referenced Nuclear Posture Review seem to give the lie to your claim that Bush threatened like a movie.

    [which Obama has removed.
    The circumstances that would lead us to use nuclear weapons are quite narrow, we will not use them to destroy large population centers. If there is a large military base set in a remote spot - perfect application. Nothing Obama said would limit his options, and he certainly would not be tied in a national emergency by his own words.

    Are you perhaps a secret confidant of Obamas? He tells you the circumstances in which the US would use nuclear weapons? Perhaps a link to back this up?

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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    He is not restrained by what he said, that is not the point. What he has done is to show Americas vulnerability.

    A dog that rolls over on its back can still bite, but is nonetheless showing submission.
    are you assuming that the world believes obama wouldn't defend our country by any means necessary? that's pretty damned funny.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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