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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    The projectionof the power that is implicet with having nukes is what Obama is eroding with this policy.

    This was the main weapon in the cold war, not the actual bombs.
    Obama may be trying to eliminate the escalation of those days, but there is not another superpower to play with anymore.
    There is no need for this and it only weakens the USA.
    We still will have enough to blow up the world and will still have the ability to use them whenever we feel like it. What the hell are you talking about?

    Did you get your information from Fox News when they outright lied about what the new agreements and policies said?

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...ig-bang-treaty
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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    We still will have enough to blow up the world and will still have the ability to use them whenever we feel like it. What the hell are you talking about?

    Did you get your information from Fox News when they outright lied about what the new agreements and policies said?

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...<br /> treaty
    Of course we will still have enough nukes, my point was Obamas giving up projecting power.

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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

    What "lies" did the evil Fox News peddle about this change in policy??

    Specifics, please.

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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Proportional response. A country that launches tear gas at our troops (technically a chemical weapon if used in war) doesn't get nuked. Makes sense to me.

    edit: HAH, there really isn't even any significant change.



    "We wont nuke you if you use chemical/bio on us. Except if it's bad and we want to use nukes to retaliate."

    Except that, by stateing that we won't respond to an NBC attack with NBC weapons, you invite such an attack to take place.
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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

    Sounds like a solid agreement to me.

    Critics who would argue that Obama is making use defenseless are themselves have not educated themselves on the treaty (or have been undereducated via FOX news).

    White House Pledges Cuts to Nuclear Stockpile | PBS NewsHour | April 6, 2010 | PBS

    Above link contains the transcript from a PBS news story which summarizes the treaty.

    Among other changes, a declaration that the U.S. will neither use nor threaten to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear countries.
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    What "lies" did the evil Fox News peddle about this change in policy??

    Specifics, please.
    They stopped reading there, essentially.

    Argument is that we would be open to attack from biological weapons, and we would not be able to use nuclear warheads in response.

    But the U.S. reserves the right to make any adjustment to this policy in the case of biological weapons threats. And the new policy doesn't apply to any countries out of compliance with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, or NPT.
    So, basically that theory is out the window. We could response with a nuclear warhead to a biological weapons threat. And we can respond with a nuclear warhead to those not in the Non-Proliferation Treaty (North Korea, Iran, anybody who would threaten us anyways, etc., etc.).

    This is abridged from the daily show, by the way. Stewart goes into greater detail.

    Jon Stewart on Fox News's Willful Ignorance on Obama's Nuclear Treaty with Russia | Indecision Forever | Comedy Central
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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

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    Ahh yes, the same bull**** strategy that Carter used.

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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Except that, by stateing that we won't respond to an NBC attack with NBC weapons, you invite such an attack to take place.
    The policy very clearly does not apply to nations that are out of compliance with the non-proliferation treaty. The signatories of that treaty are not going to attack us.
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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

    Am I the only one who is confused why people are citing Jon Stewart for rebuttals regarding conservative outrage at the Obama's conception of nuclear theory and practice, when they are plenty of other, actually qualified defense policy experts ready to defend his actions?
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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Am I the only one who is confused why people are citing Jon Stewart for rebuttals regarding conservative outrage at the Obama's conception of nuclear theory and practice, when they are plenty of other, actually qualified defense policy experts ready to defend his actions?
    Get off your high horse.
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    Re: Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

    Yeah, forgive me. I will just remember why the Daily Show was created and furthermore, why Jon Stewart does not want to be held accountable for making political debate in the media better (hint: it's because it's not his job. He's the class clown in the back of the classroom throwing spitballs and he prefers it that way).
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