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    Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

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    (Pope Benedict's personal preacher has compared criticism of the pontiff and Church over child abuse to "collective violence" suffered by the Jews)

    I think there is no possible comparison between a regime that murdered over 9 Million people and a Church that now seeks to blame the objectors who object to pedophilic acts committed on children throughout the world.


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    (Vatican spokesman the Rev Federico Lombardi later contacted the Associated Press news agency to say Father Cantalamessa was not speaking as a Vatican official.

    He said such a comparison could "lead to misunderstandings and is not an official position of the Catholic Church".)


    It was the vicar of Christs PERSONAL PREACHER who made that statement, one presumes he believed it. At the time he made this statement he did not state it was a personal remark.



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    (But Stephan Kramer, general-secretary of Germany's Central Council of Jews, described the remarks as offensive and repulsive.

    "So far I haven't seen St Peter's burning, nor were there outbursts of violence against Catholic priests," he said.

    "I'm without words. The Vatican is now trying to turn the perpetrators into victims.")

    A German Archbishop calls for a 'New Start'
    After 2000 years of this religion he wants a new start.

    IMO this religion should be banned.
    Pedophilic acts on children have a nasty habit of being perpetrated by those same children when they themselves reach maturity.
    Not every child who is treated such, but certainly a significant number.
    This Church should either be banned outright or at the very least change it's rules regarding having unmarried males as it's Priests.
    It is unnatural for men to go through life without some outlet for their sexuality.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    "This religion should be banned"

    Well that ridiculous statement aside I agree this priest should have thought a little more before saying this.

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Catholic dogma is good for making its adherents engage in self-criticism, but not its religious authorities. In the world of Catholic dogma, a divine "screening process" is held to be in place, so such severe moral lapses on the part of priests are not thought to be possible. Reconciling that ideal with the apparent realities of the situation and of human nature is difficult. Protestantism challenges the conventional Catholic belief that God's wisdom can be mediated through a human institution as opposed to revealed in every aspect of life. If Protestant spiritual authorities sin, provided the sin is not too severe, even that experience can enhance their understanding of and ability to preach the spiritual, or so the theology and popular Protestant thinking goes. I think that is a good thing. However, Catholicism has its own strengths.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
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    BBC News - Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

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    (Pope Benedict's personal preacher has compared criticism of the pontiff and Church over child abuse to "collective violence" suffered by the Jews)

    I think there is no possible comparison between a regime that murdered over 9 Million people and a Church that now seeks to blame the objectors who object to pedophilic acts committed on children throughout the world.


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    (Vatican spokesman the Rev Federico Lombardi later contacted the Associated Press news agency to say Father Cantalamessa was not speaking as a Vatican official.

    He said such a comparison could "lead to misunderstandings and is not an official position of the Catholic Church".)


    It was the vicar of Christs PERSONAL PREACHER who made that statement, one presumes he believed it. At the time he made this statement he did not state it was a personal remark.



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    (But Stephan Kramer, general-secretary of Germany's Central Council of Jews, described the remarks as offensive and repulsive.

    "So far I haven't seen St Peter's burning, nor were there outbursts of violence against Catholic priests," he said.

    "I'm without words. The Vatican is now trying to turn the perpetrators into victims.")

    A German Archbishop calls for a 'New Start'
    After 2000 years of this religion he wants a new start.

    IMO this religion should be banned.
    Pedophilic acts on children have a nasty habit of being perpetrated by those same children when they themselves reach maturity.
    Not every child who is treated such, but certainly a significant number.
    This Church should either be banned outright or at the very least change it's rules regarding having unmarried males as it's Priests.
    It is unnatural for men to go through life without some outlet for their sexuality.
    This guy is one laughable fool. And look at his position in the church.

    The Pope himself was recently passing the buck, so this isn't so surprising, I guess.

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    This guy is one laughable fool. And look at his position in the church.

    The Pope himself was recently passing the buck, so this isn't so surprising, I guess.
    How do people of good will continue to contribute to an organization like this.

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    [I]IMO this religion should be banned.
    Isn't that odd how that plays into the really bad argument said preacher tried to sell? Boy, his preacher has strong insights. At least he was able to pick out one yokel who says something without thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Isn't that odd how that plays into the really bad argument said preacher tried to sell? Boy, his preacher has strong insights. At least he was able to pick out one yokel who says something without thought.
    Really not sure what you are trying to say here. Did that comment get close to calling for catholic holocaust? It has to be hard to try and defens what is indefenceable.

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    Quote(Across Europe, there is now a torrent of allegations against predatory priests and the abuse of children. In Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Ireland, Italy and the Netherlands people are emerging, with their often buried stories, and pointing their fingers at priests and bishops. One Catholic paper opined that this scandal was the "largest in centuries" to trouble the Church.)

    Recognising this as a scandal and doing something about it such that it will never be repeated is apparently something else.

    Quote(The questions facing the Vatican are these: Was its priority protecting vulnerable children or guarding the reputation of the Church? Were children systematically abused at Catholic schools and were paedophile priests shipped out to other parishes rather than being prosecuted?)

    It is becoming patently obvious that it is the protection of the Church

    Quote(There is the story from Ireland of a cardinal being present when two teenage boys were persuaded to sign oaths of silence. The priest who was accused of abusing them was never reported to the police and was free to abuse again.)

    Undoubtedly in previous times this behavior went unreported as those who might have reported it ended up either in the hands of the Churches Inquisition or were simply burnt as witches or warlocks

    Quote(It is impossible to know the scale of this, but across the world thousands of children may have been abused; their lives damaged, tormented by guilt and struggling to form stable, loving relationships.)

    And for the reasons above I will continue to insist that this what I call 'Disgusting Church' reform itself from Top to Bottom. What few people seem to realize is that when a child is mistreated they carry the memory of that mistreatment with them throughout their lives.
    When they grow up many of them Marry and have children of their own, the treatment they received as children is then in many instances visited upon their own children


    I wondered at the almost desperate manner with which the Church Authorities sought to bury news of these Pedophilia acts from leaking out, I then realized that this corruption must extend right to the top of this Churches Authority

    Quote(The scandal is now knocking at the Pope's door in Vatican City. Before he was pontiff, he was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and was known as God's Rottweiler, the enforcer who instilled orthodoxy in the Church. He was also in charge of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and was the chief investigator, in charge of the office monitoring priestly misconduct.)

    Thus by inference he held responsibility for this Office.

    Quote(Two cases have drawn the Pope directly into this crisis.

    One involves the Rev Lawrence Murphy, a priest who worked at a school for deaf children in Milwaukee. Around 150 men with impaired hearing claim they were abused by the priest. Complaints against the Rev Murphy were made at a very senior level but why, it is asked, did the Pope, when he was cardinal, not take steps to ensure the man could not abuse again?)

    Why indeed?

    A second case concerns Peter Hullermann, a Bavarian priest who undertook therapy for paedophilia in Ratzinger's diocese; he was transferred to a new parish where, it is alleged, he continued to molest boys. The Pope says he had no knowledge of the decision to reassign him.

    Whenever a Priest is transferred from one Parish to another within the same Diocese, the Cardinal responsible for that Diocese has to sign the Documents to permit the transfer, How could this Pope as a Cardinal fail to have no knowledge? What I fail to understand (unless it was so rife) that he would claim to not have any knowledge of a Pedophilia Priest in his Diocese


    Quote(Vatican officials insist that as cardinal, Pope Benedict had "zero tolerance" towards priests who committed abuse and that he proposed a fast-track to de-frock them.)

    Indeed as we have seen with regards to Father Murphy & Father Hullerman?

    Quote(They insist that the number of recent allegations are falling and that reflects some of the reforms that the Pope himself introduced.)

    By inference the above suggests that new cases are constantly coming to light.

    Quote(The Church, however, seems totally unprepared for a global media bent on discovering what happened. They show no deference towards the institution. Lawyers in the United States talk of wanting to know "who knew what and when", echoing the pursuit of former President Richard Nixon. There is a search for documents covering the time when the Pope was a top Vatican official.)

    This Church imagines that it and it's officials are immune from prosecution by the Law of whatever Country they commit Pedophilia in

    Quote(So, as more is revealed, more questions follow. That is the nature of these stories. One paper suggests the Pope knew that Hullermann would be able to return to pastoral work. It seems his name was found on a memo. So reporters demand answers as if the Vatican was the White House and there was a duty to explain.)

    This Pope does have a duty to explain to all his present parishioners

    Quote(In the face of this the Vatican has been defensive. Its paper L'Osservatore Romano said the allegations were part of an "ignoble attempt to strike at Pope Benedict". A spokesman is quoted as saying the Pope has not been weakened by this.)

    This is no longer directly about this Pope, it is much more to do with the continued existence as a widely recognized and previously respected Religion.

    Finally if anything is published in L'Osservatore Romano, and especially on it's front page, that article is seen by the Faithful as having been authorized by the Vatican itself. Simply because such an article raises a furore after having been published is not an excuse to deny that it was an official Vatican endorsed article

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Really not sure what you are trying to say here. Did that comment get close to calling for catholic holocaust? It has to be hard to try and defens what is indefenceable.
    An argument in favor of banning a religion is awfully similar to 20th century attempts at anti-semitism.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    An argument in favor of banning a religion is awfully similar to 20th century attempts at anti-semitism.
    I may have missed the comment. Someone said we should round up and kill all Catholics. I agree that would be a horrible statement.

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