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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I am not sure where the line blurs between religion and cult. It could be that the defenders of this guy are acting like cult memebrs versus rational thinking humans.
    Is there actually any EVIDENCE of his being directly involved in a cover-up or is the news media merely fishing, as it so often does?
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Pissed off at the Pope for what? Not knowing about the case in Wisconsin that so many people in the US seems to be intent on ripping on him about?

    "LOS ANGELES - The future Pope Benedict XVI resisted pleas to defrock a California priest with a record of sexually molesting children, citing concerns including "the good of the universal church," according to a 1985 letter bearing his signature.

    The correspondence, obtained by The Associated Press, is the strongest challenge yet to the Vatican's insistence that Benedict played no role in blocking the removal of pedophile priests during his years as head of the Catholic Church's doctrinal watchdog office.

    The letter, signed by then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, was typed in Latin and is part of years of correspondence between the Diocese of Oakland and the Vatican about the proposed defrocking of the Rev. Stephen Kiesle. ... "


    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36325154/ns/us_news-faith/

    He did the same in a German case too.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Is there actually any EVIDENCE of his being directly involved in a cover-up or is the news media merely fishing, as it so often does?
    The new York Times actually had photo of the letter signed by the current Pope about not defrocking a priest in California.

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Pissed off at the Pope for what? Not knowing about the case in Wisconsin that so many people in the US seems to be intent on ripping on him about?

    You know what this is not the only case he supposedly covered up

    Priest Charged in U.S. Is Still Serving in India - NYTimes.com

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/A...-Abuse.html?hp


    Yeah he innocent alright

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    You know what this is not the only case he supposedly covered up

    Priest Charged in U.S. Is Still Serving in India - NYTimes.com

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/A...-Abuse.html?hp


    Yeah he innocent alright
    All we need is one district attorney to have the guts to charge him and his cronies under the RICO statute.

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Richard Dawkins (whatever you think of him) has already set the process in motion in the UK to have him arrested on his next papal visit.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle7094310.ece
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Richard Dawkins (whatever you think of him) has already set the process in motion in the UK to have him arrested on his next papal visit.
    Did not know that, thanks

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    the very institutions that oppose the church's message for today's world are involved in continuing to spread this and harp on it.
    the problem is that the church buried these accusations. They blamed the victims, hushed things up, moved the priests to new dioceses, and did not report the crimes to the authorities.

    Now, all the dirty laundry has built up to such a mass that it's burst the seams of the closet where it was stored, and is spilling out.

    This is not a matter of the church being attacked by people who hate it. It's a matter, biblically speaking, of reaping what you've sowed.

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    "LOS ANGELES - The future Pope Benedict XVI resisted pleas to defrock a California priest with a record of sexually molesting children, citing concerns including "the good of the universal church," according to a 1985 letter bearing his signature.

    The correspondence, obtained by The Associated Press, is the strongest challenge yet to the Vatican's insistence that Benedict played no role in blocking the removal of pedophile priests during his years as head of the Catholic Church's doctrinal watchdog office.

    The letter, signed by then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, was typed in Latin and is part of years of correspondence between the Diocese of Oakland and the Vatican about the proposed defrocking of the Rev. Stephen Kiesle. ... "


    Future pope resisted defrocking priest - Faith- msnbc.com

    He did the same in a German case too.
    Notice the actual Latin text or an English translation of the document is not included with the article. It only includes his signature. Any possible reason for that?

    Also, if you read it, you will find that he WAS defrocked in 1987, though the circumstances behind that are not clear.

    Also, if you read the article, you will note that there is a lack of specific details about the case and it is clear that local diocesan officials already took him out of priestly duties that would have given him further access to children.

    So, once again, it seems like a big ado is being made of actually quite little.

    Since you like looking at one side of the story, here is the other side - -from the same article you linked:

    The Vatican confirmed Friday that it was Ratzinger's signature. "The press office doesn't believe it is necessary to respond to every single document taken out of context regarding particular legal situations," the Rev. Federico Lombardi said.

    Another spokesman, the Rev. Ciro Benedettini, said the letter showed no attempt at a cover-up. "The then-Cardinal Ratzinger didn't cover up the case, but as the letter clearly shows, made clear the need to study the case with more attention, taking into account the good of all involved."
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    You know what this is not the only case he supposedly covered up

    Priest Charged in U.S. Is Still Serving in India - NYTimes.com

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/A...-Abuse.html?hp


    Yeah he innocent alright
    Said priest maintains that he is innocent and is willing to return to the U.S. to face charges.
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