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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    There is a well established tradition of Anti-Catholicism in America. It originally came from the Protestant majority, but today it mainly emanates from the intolerant left. Anti-Catholicism is a socially acceptable and politically correct prejudice to hold today.

    Having said that, there is a ton of hypocrisy in the Church. The hierarchy seems to be riddled with maladjusted misfits. There is a lack of health within the Church.
    I do not see "Anti-Catholicism in America" as a desease of the left. Anti-Catholicism is wide spread down South and they are pron not to be on the left. Anti-Catholicism is also alive and well in other parts of the bible belt nlot just the South. Many of us Chatholics of every politcal stripe want the Church to come clean and purge and punish those priests who committed those henous acts and also punish the bishops and other BIG HATS who covered it up.

    I do think that the Pope actually was personaly involved in a coverup but let's face it the BIG HATS knew that evil was going on and in the macro sense did not much to stop it.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    I do not see "Anti-Catholicism in America" as a desease of the left. Anti-Catholicism is wide spread down South and they are pron not to be on the left. Anti-Catholicism is also alive and well in other parts of the bible belt nlot just the South. Many of us Chatholics of every politcal stripe want the Church to come clean and purge and punish those priests who committed those henous acts and also punish the bishops and other BIG HATS who covered it up.

    I do think that the Pope actually was personaly involved in a coverup but let's face it the BIG HATS knew that evil was going on and in the macro sense did not much to stop it.
    You're right. I've personally experienced anti-Catholicism in the workplace, and it came from Protestants. I don't live in the South either...

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So, are you admitting you were wrong in your earlier claims? The times the pope speaks ex cathedra is exceedingly rare.
    Let me put it this way - The pope speaking in ex Cathedra is just as fallible as a wino uttering the exact same words, while stoned on Thunderbird.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    You're right. I've personally experienced anti-Catholicism in the workplace, and it came from Protestants. I don't live in the South either...
    I picked on the South a bit since I have family down there who inter-married with Southeners and one of them who is married to my Sister - Law told me as if he really beleived that he was saying something intelligent " I do not have a problem with __________ going to a Chathlic Church". My Sister-in Law is Chatholic and Jethro is a good ol boy Protestant and his "training "in anti- Catholicism came right out.

    It's just like the race thing used to be. As a kid I remember people saying real dumb stuff such as " I am not prejudice, some of my best friends are Colored". Sure they are !!! Yup right here up North it ain't just a Southern thing !!!
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Let me put it this way - The pope speaking in ex Cathedra is just as fallible as a wino uttering the exact same words, while stoned on Thunderbird.
    Oh come on now we don't use Thunderbird in Church anymore it's Merlo !!! but the Italian Churches use Chianti !!
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    No one is saying that there WEREN'T problems. Note that all of these allegations occurred years, even decades, in the past, BEFORE new rules and procedures were put in place by the previous Pope in conjuction with Cardinal Ratzinger (the current Pope Benedict XVI). Nearly all Catholics I know are concerned about these problems in the priesthood, but also recognize that these were in the past and the fact that the very institutions that oppose the church's message for today's world are involved in continuing to spread this and harp on it.
    Catholics only seem concerned with protecting the senior clergy of their Church.

    Those who continue asking questions do so because the problem of Pedophilia is a continuing problem.

    It also seems obvious that those who run this church have no intention of changing the behavior of themselves and their clergy.

    Were the World to see some form of contrition by Pope this matter might have gone away.
    But no, all we got was some idiot trying to blame it on Anti Semnitism, another idiot suggesting the Media were to blame, and his Holiness doing sweet F**k all.
    All you are doing by defending the indefensible is proving what we the critics say is true.

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    First statement is not as true as many anti-Catholics would like to believe it to be.

    Second statement is completely inaccurate as we don't hold the Pope to be infallible in everything, only in the rare cases he speaks ex cathedra.
    Most people laugh at the assertion the church has not spewed hatred for hundreds of years.

    Here is something you can help me with, how was the track record of Poland during WWII. Why were so many concentration camps set up in that country.

    I am not anti-catholic, just saying what most of the world understands to be obvious.

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Let me put it this way - The pope speaking in ex Cathedra is just as fallible as a wino uttering the exact same words, while stoned on Thunderbird.
    1. That is NOW what you said originally. So, is this a retraction of your original statement.

    2. I disagree with this statement as well, but at least it isn't based on the gross fallacy of your original one.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    [quote=jujuman13;1058674293]Catholics only seem concerned with protecting the senior clergy of their Church. [quote]

    I believe you are wrong here. Most Catholics I know are aware of and concerned about the problem and want it addressed in a fair and rational manner consistent with Canon and secular law.

    Those who continue asking questions do so because the problem of Pedophilia is a continuing problem.
    However, the Church has put measures in place to try to mitigate the chance of this happening in the future. That was put in a few years ago. All of the cases I have heard of in this rash of abuse claims date from PRIOR to those new measures being put in place. It doesn't mean that it will be 100% proof against the problem, but it DOES show that the Church is concerned about it.

    It also seems obvious that those who run this church have no intention of changing the behavior of themselves and their clergy.
    It seems obvious that you have some timeline problems here.

    Were the World to see some form of contrition by Pope this matter might have gone away.
    There HAS been contrition from this Pope. You are too blinded by your hatred for him and Catholicism to see it.

    But no, all we got was some idiot trying to blame it on Anti Semnitism, another idiot suggesting the Media were to blame, and his Holiness doing sweet F**k all.
    He was not blaming it on anti-Semetism, he was COMPARING it to Anti-Semitism. Big difference. I don't agree with the comparison BTW, and while I don't blame the media entirely either, I DO blame the media for NOT putting these problems in their proper context.

    All you are doing by defending the indefensible is proving what we the critics say is true.
    And what exactly have I been defending that is so indefensible? I have NO defended any of the behavior of the priests in question and rather quite deplore it.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Most people laugh at the assertion the church has not spewed hatred for hundreds of years.

    Here is something you can help me with, how was the track record of Poland during WWII. Why were so many concentration camps set up in that country.

    I am not anti-catholic, just saying what most of the world understands to be obvious.
    It isn't as if the Catholic Church had anything to do with Concentration Camps, if that is what you are suggesting. Poland was well behind the lines of the war and was occupied by Germany much earlier on than places to the west.

    That you would in some way connect the CHurch to the Holocaust is not only historically wrong, it is highly offensive.
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