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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    To my knowledge, this pope has yet to speak ex cathedra. It is a rare thing. Please understand ex cathedra and the meaning of papal infallibility before making these comments.

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    Definition of ex cathedra:

    Ex Cathedra
    Yes, when the Pope speaks ex cathedra, according to the Catholic church, then he is just as infallible as Jesus Christ. So, after covering up child molestation, should he speak ex cathedrea, he will only be showing that he is not infallible, even then.

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yes, when the Pope speaks ex cathedra, according to the Catholic church, then he is just as infallible as Jesus Christ. So, after covering up child molestation, should he speak ex cathedrea, he will only be showing that he is not infallible, even then.

    Again, we are not defined by what we say. We are defined by what we do.
    So, are you admitting you were wrong in your earlier claims? The times the pope speaks ex cathedra is exceedingly rare.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Not being a member of this particular Church, I am unable to cite anything regarding it's rules.
    To me if this Pope in an earlier post did ignore a Pedophilia Priest then he deserves to resign.
    True we are all fallible including this man, where we apparently differ is our admission of our faults and our acceptance that we be responsible for the results of those faults.
    Thus far Vatican number 2 and Pope's personal preacher admit they have wronged/erred/sinned.
    There has been no sign of punishment or contrition from any of them.
    All they seem intent on doing is to shift the blame from their own Priests onto the Priests Victims and then onto the International Media.
    From what we have seen coming from those who run this Church, they apparently do not see that they need to answer not only to those they pray to but also the living who are expected (by them) to obey their various tenets.

    I personally would feel disgusted at being expected to receive the Mass from someone who has ignored Pedophilia in the various offices he has occupied.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    There is a well established tradition of Anti-Catholicism in America. It originally came from the Protestant majority, but today it mainly emanates from the intolerant left. Anti-Catholicism is a socially acceptable and politically correct prejudice to hold today.

    Having said that, there is a ton of hypocrisy in the Church. The hierarchy seems to be riddled with maladjusted misfits. There is a lack of health within the Church.

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Does Catholic celibacy contribute to child sex abuse?
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    BBC News - Does Catholic celibacy contribute to child sex abuse?

    Very likely is my opinion.


    Quote (With the Roman Catholic Church facing a series of paedophilia scandals, some observers have begun to ask whether the tradition of celibacy in the priesthood has contributed to child abuse)

    Quote(Typical of the kind of comment Catholic leaders would have preferred not to have faced,was a contribution to a recent ZDF television discussion programme by Professor Klaus Beier, head of the Institute of Sexology and Sexual Medicine at Berlin's Charite Hospital.

    "If you are already struggling with a conflicted sexuality, including paedophile tendencies, then it is attractive to become part of an institution that obliges you to be celibate," he said.

    "I have seen many of these cases... and it is something the Catholic Church should be made aware of." )

    Very difficult to think of the possible cause of Paedophillia when the Church if not condone it, certainly seems to prefer to sweep it under the papal rug so to speak.

    quote(More surprising has been the contribution to the debate of senior figures from inside the Church, including Hamburg Auxiliary Bishop Hans-Jochen Jaschke, who seemed to add fuel to the fire of those making a connection between priestly celibacy and paedophilia.
    He was quoted as saying that the "celibate lifestyle can attract people who have an abnormal sexuality and cannot integrate sexuality into their lives.")

    Well I suppose someone in this Church is thinking about it. Shows a little promise.


    quote(But even those outspoken Catholic rebels who have long called for a discussion about the future of celibacy - including Father Hans Kung, a contemporary of the Pope and well-known thorn in the side of the Vatican - have distanced themselves from any attempt to link paedophile offences and priestly vows of chastity.)

    On the other hand, perhaps not!

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    There is a well established tradition of Anti-Catholicism in America. It originally came from the Protestant majority, but today it mainly emanates from the intolerant left. Anti-Catholicism is a socially acceptable and politically correct prejudice to hold today.

    Having said that, there is a ton of hypocrisy in the Church. The hierarchy seems to be riddled with maladjusted misfits. There is a lack of health within the Church.
    How ironic that the institution that has been responsible for anti-semitism for so many years is saying this is similar.

    I guess when you call the leader of your group infallible you have to blame others for your problems.

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    How ironic that the institution that has been responsible for anti-semitism for so many years is saying this is similar.

    I guess when you call the leader of your group infallible you have to blame others for your problems.
    First statement is not as true as many anti-Catholics would like to believe it to be.

    Second statement is completely inaccurate as we don't hold the Pope to be infallible in everything, only in the rare cases he speaks ex cathedra.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
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    BBC News - Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

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    (Pope Benedict's personal preacher has compared criticism of the pontiff and Church over child abuse to "collective violence" suffered by the Jews)

    I think there is no possible comparison between a regime that murdered over 9 Million people and a Church that now seeks to blame the objectors who object to pedophilic acts committed on children throughout the world.

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    (Vatican spokesman the Rev Federico Lombardi later contacted the Associated Press news agency to say Father Cantalamessa was not speaking as a Vatican official.

    He said such a comparison could "lead to misunderstandings and is not an official position of the Catholic Church".)


    It was the vicar of Christs PERSONAL PREACHER who made that statement, one presumes he believed it. At the time he made this statement he did not state it was a personal remark.


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    (But Stephan Kramer, general-secretary of Germany's Central Council of Jews, described the remarks as offensive and repulsive.

    "So far I haven't seen St Peter's burning, nor were there outbursts of violence against Catholic priests," he said.

    "I'm without words. The Vatican is now trying to turn the perpetrators into victims.")

    A German Archbishop calls for a 'New Start'
    After 2000 years of this religion he wants a new start.

    IMO this religion should be banned.
    Pedophilic acts on children have a nasty habit of being perpetrated by those same children when they themselves reach maturity.
    Not every child who is treated such, but certainly a significant number.
    This Church should either be banned outright or at the very least change it's rules regarding having unmarried males as it's Priests.
    It is unnatural for men to go through life without some outlet for their sexuality.

    Typical papal evasion tactics. The Pope is being called to account for the crimes of his priests and lacks the courage to admit there were issues.

    This is nothing but papal cowardace.

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So, are you admitting you were wrong in your earlier claims? The times the pope speaks ex cathedra is exceedingly rare.
    This is an important clarification. Most people don't realize that the Pope is only considered 'infallible' in very limited and rare circumstances, not in all things.

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Typical papal evasion tactics. The Pope is being called to account for the crimes of his priests and lacks the courage to admit there were issues.

    This is nothing but papal cowardace.
    No one is saying that there WEREN'T problems. Note that all of these allegations occurred years, even decades, in the past, BEFORE new rules and procedures were put in place by the previous Pope in conjuction with Cardinal Ratzinger (the current Pope Benedict XVI). Nearly all Catholics I know are concerned about these problems in the priesthood, but also recognize that these were in the past and the fact that the very institutions that oppose the church's message for today's world are involved in continuing to spread this and harp on it.
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