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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Just located the latest news.

    France24 - Vatican deputy led cover-up in US abuse case: report.

    Could be that he is being persuaded to take the flack for the person who is by all accounts actually responsible.

    Much like the Pope's personal preacher being permitted to get away with his plainly ridiculous accusations I very much doubt that this man will receive anything by way of punishment.
    In Gods name have these guys no shame? If such had happened with Politicians they would have either resigned by now or been hounded out of office by popular protest.
    In the end, we will all have to answer to a higher authority, and that includes politicians and popes alike. Sucks to be them.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The fact is that the Pope is indeed fallible. He is a mortal man, the same as the rest of us..... Well not quite the same.
    Of course he is fallible and not perfect. Who is arguing that he is?
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Of course he is fallible and not perfect. Who is arguing that he is?
    The Catholic Church. Catholic Dogma maintains that the Pope is infallible.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The Catholic Church. Catholic Dogma maintains that the Pope is infallible.
    Then you are sadly misinformed over the dogma of the Catholic Church.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Then you are sadly misinformed over the dogma of the Catholic Church.
    Actually, it is you who is misinformed. But don't take my word for it. Read about the Catholic Church's infallibility from the Catholic Encyclopedia.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, it is you who is misinformed. But don't take my word for it. Read about the Catholic Church's infallibility from the Catholic Encyclopedia.
    It only applies when the Pope speaks "ex cathedra" which is very rarely.

    From New Advent -- which you linked...
    •the infallibility claimed for the pope is the same in its nature, scope, and extent as that which the Church as a whole possesses; his ex cathedra teaching does not have to be ratified by the Church's in order to be infallible.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It only applies when the Pope speaks "ex cathedra" which is very rarely.

    From New Advent -- which you linked...
    It does make him infallible, according to the Church. I maintain that the Pope is merely human, like the rest of us. The only infallible person to have ever lived is Christ.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It does make him infallible, according to the Church. I maintain that the Pope is merely human, like the rest of us. The only infallible person to have ever lived is Christ.
    It only makes him infallible when he speaks ex cathedra on faith and morals. It does not make him and everything he says and does infallible.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It only makes him infallible when he speaks ex cathedra on faith and morals. It does not make him and everything he says and does infallible.
    From the Catholic Encyclopedia:

    From Holy Scripture, as already stated, the special proof of the pope's infallibility is, if anything, stronger and clearer than the general proof of the infallibility of the Church as a whole, just as the proof of his primacy is stronger and clearer than any proof that can be advanced independently for the Apostolic authority of the episcopate.
    Let me also add, how can the Pope speak on faith and morals, after having helped to hide pedophilia within the Church? Actions speak louder than words. It is not what we say that defines us, but what we do.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    From the Catholic Encyclopedia:



    Let me also add, how can the Pope speak on faith and morals, after having helped hide pedophilia in the Church. Actions speak louder than words.
    To my knowledge, this pope has yet to speak ex cathedra. It is a rare thing. Please understand ex cathedra and the meaning of papal infallibility before making these comments.

    From New Advent:

    Explanation of papal infallibility
    The Vatican Council has defined as "a divinely revealed dogma" that "the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra — that is, when in the exercise of his office as pastor and teacher of all Christians he defines, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, a doctrine of faith or morals to be held by the whole Church — is, by reason of the Divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, possessed of that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer wished His Church to be endowed in defining doctrines of faith and morals; and consequently that such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are irreformable of their own nature (ex sese) and not by reason of the Church's consent" (Densinger no. 1839 — old no. 1680). For the correct understanding of this definition it is to be noted that:
    Definition of ex cathedra:

    Ex Cathedra
    Literally "from the chair", a theological term which signifies authoritative teaching and is more particularly applied to the definitions given by the Roman pontiff. Originally the name of the seat occupied by a professor or a bishop, cathedra was used later on to denote the magisterium, or teaching authority. The phrase ex cathedra occurs in the writings of the medieval theologians, and more frequently in the discussions which arose after the Reformation in regard to the papal prerogatives. But its present meaning was formally determined by the Vatican Council, Sess. IV, Const. de Ecclesiâ Christi, c. iv: "We teach and define that it is a dogma Divinely revealed that the Roman pontiff when he speaks ex cathedra, that is when in discharge of the office of pastor and doctor of all Christians, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine regarding faith or morals to be held by the universal Church, by the Divine assistance promised to him in Blessed Peter, is possessed of that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer willed that his Church should be endowed in defining doctrine regarding faith or morals, and that therefore such definitions of the Roman pontiff are of themselves and not from the consent of the Church irreformable." (See INFALLIBILITY; POPE.)
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