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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Ask Pinochet after his spell under house arrest in the UK. His pal PM Thatcher was livid, but she was impotent against the law. Why do you think Tzipi Livni has cancelled visits?
    Pinochet was NOT a sitting head of state. Livni is not head of state, either...
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Then yes, they should

    I agree. They saw it as a public relations nightmare and covered it up.
    Another half-truth. It wasn't always covered up, not by a long shot. Again, in several cases, it was reported to civil authorities and that has ALWAYS been the policy of the Vatican!


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    There are dozens of examples to the contrary.[/quote]

    Many of which are questionable. Frankly, I am tired of the media using the ignorance of the people as to how the Church actually works. You are one who seems to have little understand for the workings of the Church. You also seem to fail to understand that the Church STILl works on the premise of forgiveness. After all, Jesus forgives us our sins. I also believe that these priests will have a LOT to answer for when they meet our common maker, but that is a matter for God to deal with.

    Proof?
    Try reading the articles that have been posted to this thread, for one.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Pinochet was NOT a sitting head of state. Livni is not head of state, either...
    How many heads of a religion think of themselves as a head of state. Another example of the excesses of this group.

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    How many heads of a religion think of themselves as a head of state. Another example of the excesses of this group.
    The Vatican is a state that has diplomatic relations with the vast majority of states in the world (including the United Kingdom). The Pope is the Head of State of the Vatican.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The Vatican is a state that has diplomatic relations with the vast majority of states in the world (including the United Kingdom). The Pope is the Head of State of the Vatican.
    I am aware of the facts above. Just wanted to point out that the way the vatican is treated diplomatically is different than other heads of major religions.

    For example do we even know the names of the heads of the Muslim or Mormon religions. Let along call them and their minions heads of states.

    Perhaps it is worth asking why does the vatican get this special status. Catholics are a sect within the Christian religion. They may be the largest sect, I do not know.

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I am aware of the facts above. Just wanted to point out that the way the vatican is treated diplomatically is different than other heads of major religions.

    For example do we even know the names of the heads of the Muslim or Mormon religions. Let along call them and their minions heads of states.

    Perhaps it is worth asking why does the vatican get this special status. Catholics are a sect within the Christian religion. They may be the largest sect, I do not know.
    The difference is because the Vatican is an independent state with international relations with other states. It is partially a relic of the fact that the Holy See was in control of a rather significant state for quite some time (known as the Papal States) and the current Vatican City can be regarded as a successor to the Papal States though there is a nearly six decade break in continuity between the incorporation of the Papal States into a united Italy and the ratification of the Lateran Treaty that established the sovereignty over the Vatican City. Furthermore, even the United Nations recognizes the Vatican City as a non-Member State and accords the Vatican City observer status on that basis. I suppose when an Islamic or Morman has sovereign control over territory, then they to can be regarded as a Head of State.
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    How many heads of a religion think of themselves as a head of state. Another example of the excesses of this group.
    I do not think that all "heads of religions think that they are heads of state". The VATICAN is in a very unusual position in that it is the only HQ of a religion that I know who actually is treated as a state In a way it is good that the Vatican is "separate" from the country that it lives in since Catholocism is spread over all continents except Antartica ( the penguins must be protestant). It is the most centarlized church and even the ANGLICAN Church cannot even rival it in centralization, raw beauracracy and it's command and control maybe rivals most militaries. lol
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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    I do not think that all "heads of religions think that they are heads of state". The VATICAN is in a very unusual position in that it is the only HQ of a religion that I know who actually is treated as a state In a way it is good that the Vatican is "separate" from the country that it lives in since Catholocism is spread over all continents except Antartica ( the penguins must be protestant). It is the most centarlized church and even the ANGLICAN Church cannot even rival it in centralization, raw beauracracy and it's command and control maybe rivals most militaries. lol
    I wonder if its command and control procedures are similar to the mafia setup.

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    Re: Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I wonder if its command and control procedures are similar to the mafia setup.
    now now now !!! let's not be anti-papist !! lol !! The Church would only behave as the mafia does in matters of money - theirS or what they want to become theirs LOL !

    oh yeh they stoopped torture, burning at the stake and defenistration a few hundred years ago so I alos wonder how they elleiminate peole who talk badly about the Church or doen't pay up for Uncle Toonoosh's funeral MASS !!!!!
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