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States Suing EPA as Agency Issues Regulations to Combat 'Man-Made' Global Warming

Leftist ideology, do pay attention. The left wing has socialism, communism, and statism all to itself, and those three ideologies have indeed hundreds of millions of dead to it's name. So you still want to act like a smartass or should we really bring the big guns?

Leftist and Rightest ideologies differ from country to country, and none of the things you listed belong exclusively to the left. Even if they did, which they don't, you can't pin that on everyone from the left.

Those things in the right context can belong to the right-wing, especially Statism and Social Conservatism.
 
Leftist and Rightest ideologies differ from country to country, and none of the things you listed belong exclusively to the left. Even if they did, which they don't, you can't pin that on everyone from the left.

Those things in the right context can belong to the right-wing, especially Statism and Social Conservatism.

I will keep that in mind if I start posting on some board in Tanzania or Iceland
 
Leftist and Rightest ideologies differ from country to country, and none of the things you listed belong exclusively to the left. Even if they did, which they don't, you can't pin that on everyone from the left.

Those things in the right context can belong to the right-wing, especially Statism and Social Conservatism.
No, there is definitely a solid left and right, liberals are actually conservatives across the pond only because liberals there are completely left of spectrum, but, most of the things liberals claim to want here were uniquely found in what modern liberalism falls down to globally minus a few "final solutions". I would actually be considered far right in England, and frankly, that doesn't even come close to fitting my lean.
 
I will keep that in mind if I start posting on some board in Tanzania or Iceland

"The left has always believed the end justifies the means. 100 million dead people murdered by leftwing governments in the last 100 years proves that."

Back up this statement if you really believe it.
 
Leftist and Rightest ideologies differ from country to country, and none of the things you listed belong exclusively to the left. Even if they did, which they don't, you can't pin that on everyone from the left.

Those things in the right context can belong to the right-wing, especially Statism and Social Conservatism.

I don't see social conservatives murdering millions and tens of millions to impose their preferences. Do you?

Sincerely,
Pol Pot
Stalin
Mao
Kim Jong Il
Mussolini
Hitler
 
I don't see social conservatives murdering millions and tens of millions to impose their preferences. Do you?

Sincerely,
Pol Pot
Stalin
Mao
Kim Jong Il
Mussolini
Hitler
Yup, all hard left authoritarians.
 
I don't see social conservatives murdering millions and tens of millions to impose their preferences. Do you?

Sincerely,
Pol Pot
Stalin
Mao
Kim Jong Il
Mussolini
Hitler

You call all of those leftists? I definitely call the last to very far right-wing.

"Traditionally, the Left includes progressives, social liberals, social democrats, socialists, communists and anarchists. The Right includes conservatives, reactionaries, monarchists, nationalists and fascists."

-The Concise Columbia Encyclopedia, Columbia University Press, ISBN 0231056788
 
So what I'm to gather from this thread is Hitler caused global warming?
 
You call all of those leftists? I definitely call the last to very far right-wing.

"Traditionally, the Left includes progressives, social liberals, social democrats, socialists, communists and anarchists. The Right includes conservatives, reactionaries, monarchists, nationalists and fascists."

-The Concise Columbia Encyclopedia, Columbia University Press, ISBN 0231056788
You would be wrong then. Fascism and socialism used similar control models, the difference was corporate versus government control of all private means of production. Conservatives by definition hold private property to be one of the core tenets of a free society.
 
A pure socialism is infact an Anarchy. Little known fact there. It is really a direct democracy with collective control of resources.
 
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You're only outraged because you ignore massive scientific evidence in favor of the things you want to be true.

I am only outraged as I am not beside Al Gore making bazillions off this farce and foolishness as well.
 
You call all of those leftists? I definitely call the last to very far right-wing.

"Traditionally, the Left includes progressives, social liberals, social democrats, socialists, communists and anarchists. The Right includes conservatives, reactionaries, monarchists, nationalists and fascists."

-The Concise Columbia Encyclopedia, Columbia University Press, ISBN 0231056788

One, your first statement makes no sense.

Two, one of the great feats in education has been to convince us that fascists are right wingers. I'm not sure how you get from National Socialism to right wing. Someone help me here.

Fascism used to be known as a progressive social movement. And progressives weren't shy about announcing their adherence...now fascist is just a liberal punchline to desxcribe anyone who fails to adhere to their progressive ideology.
 
A pure socialism is infact an Anarchy. Little known fact there.
You didn't take poli-sci did you? Anarchism is the lack of governmental authority, as such certain branches of communism have adopted anarcho tenets as well as certain libertarians. However anarchism and socialism are diametrically opposite, since, you know, the government controls all means of production in socialism and at the farthest left socialism doesn't recognize property rights.
 
You didn't take poli-sci did you? Anarchism is the lack of governmental authority, as such certain branches of communism have adopted anarcho tenets as well as certain libertarians. However anarchism and socialism are diametrically opposite, since, you know, the government controls all means of production in socialism and at the farthest left socialism doesn't recognize property rights.

In a true socialist infrastructure the people are themselves the government. Everyone is the government.
 
One, your first statement makes no sense.

Two, one of the great feats in education has been to convince us that fascists are right wingers. I'm not sure how you get from National Socialism to right wing. Someone help me here.

Fascism used to be known as a progressive social movement. And progressives weren't shy about announcing their adherence...now fascist is just a liberal punchline to desxcribe anyone who fails to adhere to their progressive ideology.

The progressive movement also use to belong to the Religious Right before the name was adopted by Liberals.
 
The progressive movement also use to belong to the Religious Right before the name was adopted by Liberals.

Really? In what ways?

Where did righties announce their preference for abortions and eugenics?

Thanks in advance?
 
Really? In what ways?

Where did righties announce their preference for abortions and eugenics?

Thanks in advance?

The progressive movement never advocated for eugenics, ever.

Abortions though are a new claim.

Also, it was progressives who banned alcohol for religious reasons. That sound like something liberals would do? No, especially since it was the liberal president at the time who tried to veto it, and the liberal congressmen who voted against it. The movement though that banned it called themselves Progressives though.

The progressive title has been used by both sides of the spectrum. at one point or another.
 
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More States Sue EPA as Agency Issues First Climate Change Regulations


I'm shocked at the arrogance of such regulations, mandating rules to combat fake man-made global warming. :shock: I'm actually a bit outraged, to be honest.

From the article:

But others states are fighting back on behalf of the EPA, saying without regulations, climate change will adversely affect them.


Those states are: Arizona, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington.


Looks like a real battle shaping up between the states. Here is how we should settle it. Let each side field a football team, and nationally televise the game. Use the proceeds (provided by Budweiser advertising) to clean up the environment, and then we won't have a problem at all. :mrgreen:
 
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The progressive movement never advocated for eugenics, ever.

Really?

Sincerely,
Woodrow Wilson
Jane Addams
Oliver Wendell Holmes

Hey, don't forget me!!!
Kisses,
Margaret Sanger
 
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From the article:




Looks like a real battle shaping up between the states. Here is how we should settle it. Let each side field a football team, and nationally televise the game. Use the proceeds (provided by Budweiser advertising) to clean up the environment, and then we won't have a problem at all. :mrgreen:
Actually I like the idea of a duel, the states get pistols, the EPA gets spitball guns.
 
Is this the new tactic for conservatives on DP forums? Turn every thread into a flame war over who is a fascist and who is a socialist, completely ignoring the topic?
 
h - o - a- x
 
From the article:




Looks like a real battle shaping up between the states. Here is how we should settle it. Let each side field a football team, and nationally televise the game. Use the proceeds (provided by Budweiser advertising) to clean up the environment, and then we won't have a problem at all. :mrgreen:

It wouldn't even be a contest. You would have The New England Offense added with the Ravens O-line and their new pickups. Then you would have the Jets and Ravens Defense. Plus you would have Rex Ryan who coached both the Ravens and Jets. Yeah it wouldn't be a contest.
 
Leftist ideology, do pay attention. The left wing has socialism, communism, and statism all to itself, and those three ideologies have indeed hundreds of millions of dead to it's name. So you still want to act like a smartass or should we really bring the big guns?

Semantics, semantics, semantics.

"Left" is just a label based off a simplified political spectrum. Redefining all these historical atrocities as "leftist" and then trying to apply it to modern American political policy is absurd and, frankly, stupid. You're just demonizing. The American left is not responsible for historical genocide. Period.

Besdies, wasn't FDR a "socialist" in the same mold -- an American progressive? Was he not commander in chief during the World War II? Did we not fight against European fascism? Did we not help liberate the concentration camps?

You're either playing a willfully ignorant and rather insulting semantic game, or you have a ****ed-up view of the good guys and the bad guys.
 
People on the right clearly support dissolution of the United States as an entity. They are, after all, in favor of "smaller government."
 
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