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Extremist group demands governors resign

So despite the involvement of the FBI and Homeland Security, and despite the fact you have no knowledge of their contents, you are guaranteeing that these letters are innocent expressions of free speech?

Well right now the FBI and DHS are saying they don't feel the threats are credible or immediate. So at this time, yes, it is just free speech being exercised.
 
Well right now the FBI and DHS are saying they don't feel the threats are credible or immediate. So at this time, yes, it is just free speech being exercised.

What I found interesting is that most of the States listed in the OP are States that have legislation either passed or in the process to exempt their citizens from mandatory Health Insurance.

Naaaaaaaaa……. Couldn’t be. :shock:
 
What I found interesting is that most of the States listed in the OP are States that have legislation either passed or in the process to exempt their citizens from mandatory Health Insurance.

Naaaaaaaaa……. Couldn’t be. :shock:

That's a little bizarre. They've exhibited the behavior of disgruntled far-right types who want to "take back America" but they're targeting people who are (sortof) on their side.

It's probably more of a generalized "gubmint goin' take ma land" motive.
 
That's a little bizarre. They've exhibited the behavior of disgruntled far-right types who want to "take back America" but they're targeting people who are (sortof) on their side.

It's probably more of a generalized "gubmint goin' take ma land" motive.

Or maybe "them States are going to take my free medical away from me" motive. :mrgreen:
 
It's actually a "reclaim the American Continent from corporations posing as legitimate government" motif.

The corporations are coming to get us!! Ahh!

Here's their audiocast:
[ame=http://www.zshare.net/audio/71969416ad804e00/]ZShare - Guardians of the Free Republic Audiocast, pt. 1[/ame]
 
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Well right now the FBI and DHS are saying they don't feel the threats are credible or immediate. So at this time, yes, it is just free speech being exercised.

Since when is the issuing of ultimatums to elected officials considered "free speech"?
 
Since when is the issuing of ultimatums to elected officials considered "free speech"?

If I tell a politician they need to say "Happy Holidays" or I am going to boycott them and vote against them. That is an ultimatum and is indeed free speech.

We do not know what the group intentds to do in 3 days and since they have not stated any violence against the governors if they don't resign, it has to be treated as free speech until such time as they have evidence contrary to it.

Innocent until proven guilty.
 
Since when is the issuing of ultimatums to elected officials considered "free speech"?

"Do what we want or will will vote you out of office."

It's an ultimatum and there is nothing wrong with it. With no threat of violence or illegal activity, there is zero wrong with this.
 
Or maybe "them States are going to take my free medical away from me" motive. :mrgreen:

There's a lot of that these days. "Keep your filthy government socialist hands off my medicare!"
 
There's a lot of that these days. "Keep your filthy government socialist hands off my medicare!"

Yup........ this administration has lost the "granny" vote and will lose the "kids" vote as soon as those kids figure out that they will have to buy a very expensive insurance policy they don't want or need.

I've have never seen such a stupid and incompetent administration in my life.... and I lived through Peanuts Presidency. :mrgreen:
 
I mostly scanned the thread and if somebody else has posted this, I apologize. But here are the stated goals of the "Restore America" plan as drafted by the Guardians of the Free Republic group deemed 'extremist' by CNN. This is the group that sent out the letters to the governors.

Now whether this is a bunch of kooks or passionate nuts or patriots, I haven't decided. But I can't find ANYTHING on their website that even hints of any form of violence, insurrection, civil disobedience, or other illegal activity.

So what is it about them that labels them as 'extreme'?

From their website:

IMMEDIATE GOALS OF THE RESTORE AMERICA PLAN

Ending foreclosure and bank collection actions immediately (our first and seventh directives)

Ending tax prosecutions immediately (second and sixth directives)

Ending invasions, prosecutions and detentions for fictitious crimes against the state that lack an injured party other than insurrection, treason and frauds against the United States (third and eighth directives)

Ending molestation on the byways (fourth and ninth directives)
Production of sovereign identification and passports that do not proclaim subject-class citizenship (fourth and ninth directives)

Restoration of the trappings of proper de jure governance (fifth and tenth directives)

Restoration of the common law of the Land (third and eighth directives)
reigning in of the admiralty color-of-law venue to the high seas (third and eighth directives)

Restoration of the proper de jure judicial institutions such as the district court of the United States and the one supreme Court as constructed and restrained in the Constitution for the United States of America, c. 1787 (Phase 2, thirteenth through fifteenth directives)

Re-absorption of the de facto judicial aberrations such as USDC into the de jure institutions (Phase 2, thirteenth through fifteenth directives)
a PERMANENT TERMINATION OF TERRITORIAL GOVERNMENT OUTSIDE CONSTITUTIONAL LIMITATIONS beginning with voiding of the Downes v. Bidwell monstrosity (Phase 2, eighteenth directive)

Arrest and shackling of the District Court of the District of Columbia (Phase 2, sixteenth directive)

Recognition of sovereign status in the police databanks of the land (fourth and ninth directives) and a lawful and orderly removal of the corporate state as the ruler of every aspect of your life.

And we will accomplish all of that – with your help – BEHIND THE SCENES, lawfully, peacefully, without violence and without risking civil war.
Guardians of the Free Republics
 
Arrest and shackling of the District Court of the District of Columbia (Phase 2, sixteenth directive)

Recognition of sovereign status in the police databanks of the land (fourth and ninth directives) and a lawful and orderly removal of the corporate state as the ruler of every aspect of your life

Oh no, that's not extreme at all. We simply want (demand) the dismantling of the Federal government. BTW, this missive reads suspiciously like something that was copied verbatim from the 18th century
 
From the OP ~ "Other steps in the group's plan include "establishing bogus courts, calling of 'de jure' grand juries, and issuing so-called 'legal orders' to gain control of the state," the note said."

They don't seem to believe in the rule of law, do they?
 
Oh no, that's not extreme at all. We simply want (demand) the dismantling of the Federal government. BTW, this missive reads suspiciously like something that was copied verbatim from the 18th century

You're right. It isn't extreme when it is done through legal channels which, so far as I have been determined, is what this group is advocating. Can you find any evidence that their intent or emphasis is anybody taking matters into their own hands?

And where do you decipher any intent to 'dismantle the Federal government'?
 
From the OP ~ "Other steps in the group's plan include "establishing bogus courts, calling of 'de jure' grand juries, and issuing so-called 'legal orders' to gain control of the state," the note said."

They don't seem to believe in the rule of law, do they?

Well I've read what they say they are about and what they advocate on their own website with the link posted on this thread an hour or so ago.

So who do you believe? A left leaning news organization who tends to label any activist group on the right as extreme? Or how the group describes itself?

Again what makes this group 'extreme' any more than any activist group, left or right?
 
You're right. It isn't extreme when it is done through legal channels which, so far as I have been determined, is what this group is advocating. Can you find any evidence that their intent or emphasis is anybody taking matters into their own hands?

And where do you decipher any intent to 'dismantle the Federal government'?

If Will had bothered to look into the group (read their web page) he would see time and time again that it was all to be done without harm to anyone..... but Will hardly ever reads up on anything before going off the deep end.
 
If Will had bothered to look into the group (read their web page) he would see time and time again that it was all to be done without harm to anyone..... but Will hardly ever reads up on anything before going off the deep end.

Well I know almost nothing about this group other than what I've read on their website. And Will is entitled to his own opinion and to be quite wrong. :) But I do get so damn tired of the ideological rhetoric and labels used by the media to describe any action by the right who are attempting to accomplish anything these days.

I doubt CNN ever labels Code Pink or PETA or Greenpeace or Moveon.org or any other leftist activist groups as 'extremists'.

So again I have to wonder. What is it that makes this group worthy of the label 'extremist'?
 
Oh no, that's not extreme at all. We simply want (demand) the dismantling of the Federal government. BTW, this missive reads suspiciously like something that was copied verbatim from the 18th century

So they are nut jobs. Does this surprise any one? Does not change the fact that they have done nothing illegal or even really improper, outside of being nutty.
 
So they are nut jobs. Does this surprise any one? Does not change the fact that they have done nothing illegal or even really improper, outside of being nutty.

Again point to anything on their website or cited by CNN that suggests they are even interested in dismantling the Federal government, much less advocating that. What is it about this group that makes them extremist? Or nutty?

Does CNN get to decide that?
 
Moderator's Warning:
Stop the personal attacks or you can trust that my threats of consequences will NOT be idle.
 
Anyone know what this means?:confused:

PERMANENT TERMINATION OF TERRITORIAL GOVERNMENT OUTSIDE CONSTITUTIONAL LIMITATIONS beginning with voiding of the Downes v. Bidwell monstrosity
 
If Will had bothered to look into the group (read their web page) he would see time and time again that it was all to be done without harm to anyone..... but Will hardly ever reads up on anything before going off the deep end.

You seem incapable of any activity beyond personal attack. What does this phrase, which I copied already, mean to you?
Arrest and shackling of the District Court of the District of Columbia (Phase 2, sixteenth directive)

Recognition of sovereign status in the police databanks of the land (fourth and ninth directives) and a lawful and orderly removal of the corporate state as the ruler of every aspect of your life.


How do you suggest the District Court of Colombia will be "arrested and shackled" without "harm to anyone"? How do you suggest that a "lawful and orderly removal of the corporate state" is to be achieved when the state is the only law we have? the Are you such a dittohead that you can ignore the obvious and plain threatening language and seize only on the meaningless claim that no "harm" will be done?
 
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