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Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

Because not treating gay patients is not equivalent to making a political statement against Obama and his supporters. Period.

So putting up a sign saying he won't treat Obama supporters is different than putting a sign saying he won't treat gay people how?


And as I said, it's well within the doctor's right to not take gay patients.

And its within my rights to call him a scumbag for it as well. Even if his speech is protected, and even if the AMA doesn't have a problem with is behavior, that doesn't give him a immunity to criticism for it either.
 
Not to jump topics Tex, but more to make a point, do YOU think the Iraqi War was a mistake? The polls say it was. How do YOU feel about it?



Does that include GWB?

Do YOU think Bush was a good president? Do you agree with what the polls will say about that too?

Just curious.

Answer my questions first and I will answer yours.
 
Look, if you vote for someone that is going to do negative things to another person, they have every right in the world to attempt to punish you for your behavior, if it is unwarranted.

Choices have consequences and to tell you the truth I wish this happened more often.
 
I would use him for my healthcare. Nothing immature at all about his tongue in cheek sign. He even stated, clearly enough for anyone who read the article instead of going "ZOMGWTF, doctor hates OBAMA let's get him", that he isn't actually turning patients away.

Grow up.

I wouldn't use a liberal doctor for my healthcare who had posted something similar about Bush < or name your conservative >. I think it is unprofessional to bring up the subject of politics in a contentious way with your clients/patients to begin with. It is even moreso to pretend that you want those who disagree with you to 'go away' (in a professional setting). If the Doctor doesn't know this, he is the one who needs to 'Grow up', along with all of his supporters here and elsewhere.

I can't imagine letting someone known to be so completely clueless be my doctor, whether he said it about a liberal politician or conservative.
 
What a scumbug. He swore an oath, and yet he puts pathetic partisan politics above his profession. The only saving grace is that he is screwing himself by losing out on reasonable customers. He is more than welcome to bash Obama all he likes, but it is shameful to go so far.

I know that you read his point of view and arrived in some convoluted manner at the wrong conclusion.

He actually said he would not turn anyone away.


I have no problem with any person pointing out their Political preference, after all in the USA one is supposedly freely permitted to express their view.

I suppose this must depend on whether they agree with the type of Politics you espouse.
 
So putting up a sign saying he won't treat Obama supporters is different than putting a sign saying he won't treat gay people how?

Because being an Obama supporter isn't something that is medically relevant that needs to be disclosed.


And its within my rights to call him a scumbag for it as well. Even if his speech is protected, and even if the AMA doesn't have a problem with is behavior, that doesn't give him a immunity to criticism for it either.

OK, but as I said before, the hysterics over his tongue in cheek display of political speech are priceless.
 
I promise you, I find nothing "personal" about this, just a travesty of medical responsibility being praised and encouraged by the usual irresponsible "McVeigh Wannabe's" (Hannity's phrase, not mine).The health care bill has done nothing to damage this doctor's practice or the treatment options of any of those who scream "dictatorship" The irresponsible recklessness of the wingnuts on the right is fast making them irrelevant in contributing to the growth of this nation.

I'm sure you could have packed more nonsensical adverbs and adjectives than that. Glad to be part of the wingnuts, as you describe them. We need to start standing up for ourselves in this country and if this is what you consider petty, I consider it patriotic. You find it irresponsible, I find it refreshing. The bill WILL in fact hurt doctors - especially those who treat medicare/medicaid patients even though there's been a delay in implementation of that until the end of 2010 - most likely to help Democrats in Novembers elections.

But really - is the blowback so unexpected? Liberals and Progressives forced this through with split support at BEST. Surprised some Dr's will pack it in and close up shop? Surprised some are expressing their discontent? Then the characterization of "petty" and the name calling begins with calls of legal action. Sounds like the nuts are part of your group, not mine. What's next? Time to round up the discontented and hold them in jail a while because they don't buy into Progressive policy?

My advice: Get used to the push back. It's only the beginning.
 
I know that you read his point of view and arrived in some convoluted manner at the wrong conclusion.

He actually said he would not turn anyone away.

The people who come into his office and see the sign certainly don't know that.

I have no problem with any person pointing out their Political preference, after all in the USA one is supposedly freely permitted to express their view.

I suppose this must depend on whether they agree with the type of Politics you espouse.

Nobody is trying to suppress his speech. I am using my right free speech to criticism him for his asshole behavior.
 
I wouldn't use a liberal doctor for my healthcare who had posted something similar about Bush < or name your conservative >. I think it is unprofessional to bring up the subject of politics in a contentious way with your clients/patients to begin with. It is even moreso to pretend that you want those who disagree with you to 'go away' (in a professional setting). If the Doctor doesn't know this, he is the one who needs to 'Grow up', along with all of his supporters here and elsewhere.

I can't imagine letting someone known to be so completely clueless be my doctor, whether he said it about a liberal politician or conservative.

I doubt his personal politics had much of an influence on his obtaining a medical license. I have serious misgivings about letting his personal politics cloud my judgment of his ability to practice medicine or not.

Your hysterics are priceless.
 
Answer my questions first and I will answer yours.

Sure thing. I had to page back a long ways to find them but here goes.

Re: Masses approve/disapprove: I have seen the poll numbers go both ways on a day to day basis. If you say that today the masses oppose, today, I will believe you. It's not that hard to conceive given the day to day fluctuation of that number.

Re: Olive branch: I know, I know. I watch FOXNews too. I know the official rightwing position on that. But, I also know what I saw and heard with my own eyes and ears. I am not one to have some ideological fantasy piss on my head and tell me it's raining. The olive branch was extended and refused. That's the FACTS I witnessed. No spin, propaganda, or whacko intrepretation trying to convince me that what is real, isn't real, is gonna fly. I am a hard-wired realist.

OK, you're turn. ;)
 
This person is a doctor. He's not a politician. The politics of his patients are irrelevant. He's a piece of **** and I'll bet a teabagger.

Does he have the right to speak his mind? Sure. Is he an a$$hole/piece of ****/****sucking mother****er? Yup

He is denying care, the sign clearly "...seek urologic care elsewhere" It doesn't say "if you want" or "I don't support the Health care bill so you might want to seek care elsewhere".

I certainly hope. He's in violation of the law... decisions have consequences. :doh
 
big picture: 30% of those on medicare already report having trouble finding a doctor who will take them

at ny presbyterian only about 40% of doctors take medicare

in texas, 38% of primary caregivers

this phenomenon is nation wide and MUST get MUCH worse

because:

YOU CAN'T EXPAND M AND M BY 12 MIL WHILE CUTTING FUNDING HALF A T

kent conrad of north dakota is the party's point person on the topic, has been for a year

he's baucus' right hand man in the GATEWAY, senate finance, and one of the GATEKEEPER's ubiquitous six

Senator Kent Conrad | North Dakota

indeed, conrad's correct in pointing out that the problem dr cassell is painting up is far greater in rural areas than it is in the big city
 
This person is a doctor. He's not a politician. The politics of his patients are irrelevant. He's a piece of **** and I'll bet a teabagger.

Well now the hysterics have devolved to simple, idiotic mouthfoaming retardedness. :doh
 
This person is a doctor. He's not a politician. The politics of his patients are irrelevant. He's a piece of **** and I'll bet a teabagger.

Does he have the right to speak his mind? Sure. Is he an a$$hole/piece of ****/****sucking mother****er? Yup

He is denying care, the sign clearly "...seek urologic care elsewhere" It doesn't say "if you want" or "I don't support the Health care bill so you might want to seek care elsewhere".

I certainly hope. He's in violation of the law... decisions have consequences. :doh

People should be held responsible for their political choices.
They effect everyone else.
 
Hmmm in one breath he says go else where in another he says he won't refuse service. The man is speaking out of both sides of his mouth

Oh dear Lord grant me patience.

Here we have yet another poster who simply reads the article and still manages to turn it around.

Read what the good Dr. is reported to have said.

Quote "IF SOMEONE READS THE NOTICE AND TURN AROUND AND WALKS AWAY, SO BE IT".
The Dr. is as he is permitted to do under the US Constitution, giving his opinion, without profanity.

He is then reported as having said "I WILL NOT TURN A PATIENT AWAY".
The Dr. is thus upholding his Hippocratic oath.

Now just what is your problem?
 
Because being an Obama supporter isn't something that is medically relevant that needs to be disclosed.

So the sole difference is that you can more easily hide being an Obama supporter than your sexual preference to the doctor? So they have to conceal their political beliefs so this doctor can express his? Not a very logically consistent position.

OK, but as I said before, the hysterics over his tongue in cheek display of political speech are priceless.

Almost as funny as you trying so desperately trying to pretend its somehow different than doing the same thing to gays. Obviously its only funny if you aren't the target.
 
My advice: Get used to the push back. It's only the beginning.

Oh really? Well you might be surprised, because we (especially the president) have been extremely tolerant of the nonsense from the right, waiting for them to come to their senses. If you insist on making this unpleasantness permanent, you will quickly discover that we haven't even begun to push yet.
 
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Oh really? Well you might be surprised, because we haven't even begun to push yet.

Push what? More Progressive destruction? I can only hope... it will make the end result of a new dark age for Obama-like policies which is the end goal. Please... push as hard as you can and soon. I invite it and cannot wait for it to actually happen.
 
I doubt his personal politics had much of an influence on his obtaining a medical license. I have serious misgivings about letting his personal politics cloud my judgment of his ability to practice medicine or not.

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You need to reread my post. I said nothing remotely close to saying his medical license had anything to do with his politics. I have said that his expression of his politics have everything to do with his ethics and professionalism. I have said this would be true whether he was a conservative or liberal. I have said that his ethics and unprofessionalism would preclude my using him as my caregiver.

I work in technology. Occasionally, I indulge myself by talking about politics with coworkers. It only sometimes gets contentious, but I always regret it, because I think it is unprofessional. So, through that lense, I observe this doctor. I can't help but be disgusted.

This disgust 'clouds my view' as to whether I feel I could trust him. I conclude that I could not.
 
So the sole difference is that you can more easily hide being an Obama supporter than your sexual preference to the doctor? So they have to conceal their political beliefs so this doctor can express his? Not a very logically consistent position.

It's absolutely consistent. Being an Obama supporter is not medically relevant. I mean, unless we're talking about a mental health practitioner and then, maybe it is relevant.

And let me remind you: I think a doctor has the right to say the same thing about gays.

This was just a sad, pathetic attempt by you to try to make the discussion about me, anyway. You thought that if you could play "gotcha games" with the gay issue, you could score some points or something. You failed.

Almost as funny as you trying so desperately trying to pretend its somehow different than doing the same thing to gays.

It's not pretend. It's the way it is.

Obviously its only funny if you aren't the target.

WTF is that supposed to mean? If you could read, you would go back and see that I said he has the same right to do that to gays as he does to Obamaphiles. It's not the same issue, but he has the same right.

And this is ALL irrelevant since he isn't turning anyone away from treatment in the first place.
 
Sure thing. I had to page back a long ways to find them but here goes.

Re: Masses approve/disapprove: I have seen the poll numbers go both ways on a day to day basis. If you say that today the masses oppose, today, I will believe you. It's not that hard to conceive given the day to day fluctuation of that number.

Show me one day since that bill passed where a majority of Americans were for it.

Re: Olive branch: I know, I know. I watch FOXNews too. I know the official rightwing position on that. But, I also know what I saw and heard with my own eyes and ears. I am not one to have some ideological fantasy piss on my head and tell me it's raining. The olive branch was extended and refused. That's the FACTS I witnessed. No spin, propaganda, or whacko intrepretation trying to convince me that what is real, isn't real, is gonna fly. I am a hard-wired realist.

That didn't answer my question. Why didn't Obama include even one major idea the Republicans brought him if this was supposed to be bipartisan? Explain yourself.

OK, you're turn. ;)

Iraq war? In hindsight of course not but the intelligence they had at the time and what they could prove were two very different things. There is no evidence at all that proves Bush knew the intelligence was bad. None, zip, zero no matter how many "Bush lied people died" signs you've read.


And no I wouldn't call Bush a good president. Fair but not good. but I doubt very much the reasons I have for that statement coincide with your own.

As far as your polls question, I'm not sure what you mean. If you are asking did he deserve his poll numbers for the most part I would say yes.
 
Oh really? Well you might be surprised, because we (especially the president) have been extremely tolerant of the nonsense from the right,

Funniest line ever.

waiting for them to come to their senses. If you insist on making this unpleasantness permanent, you will quickly discover that we haven't even begun to push yet.

Keep digging that hole of yours :)
 
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