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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Just pointing out the historical rellevance of your comments. If it's too much for you handle, then I don't know what to tell you.
    There was exactly zero relevance in any of that to our discussion at hand. When you can show the Constitution as being the standard of those regimes and how they moved against or for it, then there would be some relevance. For the moment, all you did was spout nonsense about Nazis and Communists while the discussion was about doctors in America performing their duties.

    It did not escape my notice that you failed to address any of the post and the request for you to make a point. Here, let me repost it for your convenience, though I hold little hope that you will move with purpose toward coming through on a real argument.

    You would have a point if anyone here was talking about "rescinding rights". However, the discussion has been focused on dispeling this myth that one has a right to practice any profession he wishes despite an moral objection to practicing the profession.

    I would be willing to concede if you could make a reasonable argument that there is a right, enumerated or implied, that you may practice any profession you wish.
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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    There was exactly zero relevance in any of that to our discussion at hand. When you can show the Constitution as being the standard of those regimes and how they moved against or for it, then there would be some relevance.
    You should read up on how Hitler got rid of the Weimar Republic. Then, you will get the picture. Mussolini abolished Italy's constitution when he took power, as well. Mussolini imposed a punitive tax on males that hadn't father children...for the public good, of course.

    For the moment, all you did was spout nonsense about Nazis and Communists while the discussion was about doctors in America performing their duties.
    The discussion is about personal liberties. You claim that violating a person's liberties, for the public good, is okay. I'm only pointing out historical examples of the same idea and how it didn't go very well.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You should read up on how Hitler got rid of the Weimar Republic. Then, you will get the picture. Mussolini abolished Italy's constitution when he took power, as well. Mussolini imposed a punitive tax on males that hadn't father children...for the public good, of course.
    I will read up on that again when it becomes relevant to a discussion at hand.

    The discussion is about personal liberties. You claim that violating a person's liberties, for the public good, is okay. I'm only pointing out historical examples of the same idea and how it didn't go very well.
    I made no such claim. Please go back and point me to the exact post where I indicated that personal liberties should be violated.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post


    I made no such claim. Please go back and point me to the exact post where I indicated that personal liberties should be violated.
    You said that people have the right to practice their religion. Then you say they can't refuse to take a human life, based on their religious beliefs. Practicing a religion is adhereing to religious principles. Refusing to take a human life would be the practice of religion. Basically, you're saying that religious freedom has limits.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I will read up on that again when it becomes relevant to a discussion at hand.
    How about infomring yourself on the subject, then making the decision as to whether, or not, it's rellevant? As long as you have no clue what I'm talking about, you can't make that decision with any credibility.
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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post



    The discussion is about personal liberties. You claim that violating a person's liberties, for the public good, is okay. I'm only pointing out historical examples of the same idea and how it didn't go very well.
    Well if that's the case. What about your thoughts on the patriot act?

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You said that people have the right to practice their religion.
    And they do.

    Then you say they can't refuse to take a human life, based on their religious beliefs.
    No, I did not. Please quote me as saying that.

    Practicing a religion is adhereing to religious principles.
    And?

    Refusing to take a human life would be the practice of religion.
    Nothing restricting that practice in anything I stated.

    Basically, you're saying that religious freedom has limits.
    Well, it does. You can't practice human sacrifice or any other nonsense such as that. But I haven't declared any limitation on the practice of religion within the context of this discussion.


    How about infomring yourself on the subject, then making the decision as to whether, or not, it's rellevant? As long as you have no clue what I'm talking about, you can't make that decision with any credibility.
    First of all, you make the incredibly stupid assumption that I didn't know what you were talking about and that I needed education on that matter. Secondly, your repetition of the matter doesn't give it any more relevance now than it did the first time you posted it.

    MASSIVE FAIL on your part.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Well if that's the case. What about your thoughts on the patriot act?
    Any part of the patriot act that violates a citizen's civil liberties, IMO, is illegal.
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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    this thread needs an abortion.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

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    Nothing restricting that practice in anything I stated.
    You've stated that a practitioner can be forced to despense medicine that goes against his/her religious convictions. If a person is forced to go against his/her religious convictions, then that person's religious freedom is being violated.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You've stated that a practitioner can be forced to despense medicine that goes against his/her religious convictions.
    No I did not. I specifically said no one forces him to be a practitioner of that profession, thereby eliminating the necessity of his dispensing with his moral convictions to keep practicing.

    If a person is forced to go against his/her religious convictions, then that person's religious freedom is being violated.
    No, no one is forcing him to be a doctor. If the duties of a doctor are against his religious beliefs, then don't be a doctor. Nothing is violated here at all.

    Find me a right to practice medicine despite moral objection to practicing medicine in the constitution and you have a point. Otherwise, you are just being liberal in your interpretation of the first amendment and creating rights where there are none.

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