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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Physicians already have to navigate a labyrinthine system of bureaucracies: the insurance industry. I deal with insurance companies and with Medicare. I'd rather deal with Medicare any day.
    Wait - are you saying the gub'mint has a less bureaucratic system than private insurers?

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    He really has a puerile attitude. He must come from a wealthy family.
    He doesn't. His father was an Army Sergeant during the Korean War. He married a Korean woman and worked at a canned-corn plant until he retired. They had seven children (including my uncle), who were all half-Korean; they experienced harsh racism their entire young lives; they were anything but wealthy.

    As for my uncle, he was able to get an academic scholarship to the University of Florida where he obtained his engineering degree. He went to medical school and did four years of residency in his specialty before he started practicing on his own; he also paid back over a hundred thousand dollars of debt. You've probably never done anything half as challenging as that, yet you have the nerve to call my uncle puerile, simply because he wants to practice medicine in a free market.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Wait - are you saying the gub'mint has a less bureaucratic system than private insurers?
    Highly doubtful.

    Many people, just as they become eligible for Medicare, discover that the insurance rug has been pulled out from under them. Some doctors — often internists but also gastroenterologists, gynecologists, psychiatrists and other specialists — are no longer accepting Medicare, either because they have opted out of the insurance system or they are not accepting new patients with Medicare coverage. The doctors’ reasons: reimbursement rates are too low and paperwork too much of a hassle.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/bu.../02health.html
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    When Helen Edmonds moved from one Atlanta suburb to another, she began to look for new doctors.

    "The first thing they ask is what insurance do I have," Edmonds says. "When I say Medicare, they say the doctor doesn't take Medicare."

    In Colorado, Charlotte Sennett, 72, and her husband stayed in traditional Medicare for years rather than switching to an HMO, even though it cost more. "We felt it was more stable," says Sennett.

    But now the Sennetts face a problem they never expected: Their Denver-area doctor will no longer accept the traditional government insurance program.

    After years of using an insurance plan just about all doctors and hospitals accepted, Medicare patients are now shocked to find they aren't wanted.

    In some cities, doctors frustrated with what they say are low Medicare payments and onerous rules are limiting the number of Medicare patients they take — or refusing to accept new Medicare patients at all. Some physicians are even telling longtime patients that they have to find new doctors when they hit 65 and qualify for Medicare.

    USATODAY.com - Rejections rise for Medicare patients
    Obamacare will create even more rules, regulations, boards, agencies, etc. to deal with, which will further disincentivize people from becoming or remaining physicians.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    Obamacare will create even more rules, regulations, boards, agencies, etc. to deal with, which will further disincentivize people from becoming or remaining physicians.
    It really is this simple.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    He doesn't. His father was an Army Sergeant during the Korean War. He married a Korean woman and worked at a canned-corn plant until he retired. They had seven children (including my uncle), who were all half-Korean; they experienced harsh racism their entire young lives; they were anything but wealthy.

    As for my uncle, he was able to get an academic scholarship to the University of Florida where he obtained his engineering degree. He went to medical school and did four years of residency in his specialty before he started practicing on his own; he also paid back over a hundred thousand dollars of debt. You've probably never done anything half as challenging as that, yet you have the nerve to call my uncle puerile, simply because he wants to practice medicine in a free market.

    Physicians are not your slaves and votes have consequences.

    I did not say that he was puerile I said that his attitude was puerile.

    I know that he waas helped a lot by the socialist policies of the US educational system, which by the way, is extremely liberal. You can not say that he was not helped by the government along the way, can you?

    Our country gave a lot of help to korean refugees during the bad times.

    I'll tell you what, though. Koreans are very intelligent, hardworking and have a lot of emotional intelligence. They have excellent family structure also.

    I knew a korean young man who was 18 years old who knew more than his journeyman boss.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    It really is this simple.
    Except it's not.

    How many of these boards or rules will doctors have to deal with at all?

    Most involve either research or insurance rules that the insurance companies will have to deal with, not doctors. The insurance companies get lots of new customers in return.
    Last edited by misterman; 04-08-10 at 05:01 PM.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I did not say that he was puerile I said that his attitude was puerile.

    I know that he waas helped a lot by the socialist policies of the US educational system, which by the way, is extremely liberal. You can not say that he was not helped by the government along the way, can you?

    Our country gave a lot of help to korean refugees during the bad times.

    I'll tell you what, though. Koreans are very intelligent, hardworking and have a lot of emotional intelligence. They have excellent family structure also.

    I knew a korean young man who was 18 years old who knew more than his journeyman boss.
    I've lost interest in you. Find someone else to talk to...

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    I've lost interest in you. Find someone else to talk to...
    No problem. I suggest you put me on ignore. Have a nice day.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Hmmm in one breath he says go else where in another he says he won't refuse service. The man is speaking out of both sides of his mouth
    For Libs who harp on nuance and subtleties, who get into parsing what "is" is or isn't, the above is another intellectual scud of a post from the UnAmerican faction.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Wait - are you saying the gub'mint has a less bureaucratic system than private insurers?
    In my experience, in this one instance, yes.
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