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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    Doesn't it scare you a bit to think about what type of new mandates Obama and the Democrats might implement, in order to 'fix the glitch', so that doctors cannot turn people down? I think that's when Doctors will be told where to live, based on regional need for medical doctors... socialism is gonna be so much fun!!!
    I suspect what we will have is a system where the best and most qualified doctors work as private professionals for people with means, and the rest will work in the government system. The care WILL suffer...anyone that thinks it wont is simply blind, blissfully or intentionally ignorant, or maybe both.

    I really wish people that advocate for the universal health care thats coming (and make no mistake-thats where this is headed) had the opportunity to live for few years in the medicare/medicaid system.

    And of course this doesnt even begin to touch the deficit situation. California has massivie soicial spending and it has put their state into a 50 billion dollar hole. The bailouts for California have not come with an expectation that they fix the system so they can continue to be just as fiscally irresponsible as before. Massachusettes also requires huge federal bailouts for its healthcare system. Rather than learn from thos mistakes we are rushing headlong into a federal system. If Obama is right and Medicare gets abused to the tune of 80 billion a year, try to imagine what levels of fraud will hit when the government, the same clowns that have already spent us 13.5 trillion into debt, are in charge of ALL healthcare.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Money is an incentive to do more and better, it has always been that way.
    That is why some doctors work what I consider to be ridiculous hours, they want more money.
    That is not always the case. Some work ridiculous hours because they care about their patients and/or love their job. Money is not the primary factor.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You don't know much about medicine or commerce do you? I don't work my ass off for your sake or enjoyment, or even to be the best professional I can be, I do it for money. Doctor's quality goes up because there is money in being the best, and caring about their patients is also a close a factor, but if you think they'll do it at a loss you're kidding yourself.
    I disagree with you. I don't think anyone would necessarily do it at a loss, but you are talking about a profession of helpers. The mindset and personality of people who do this kind of work places the health and happiness in a very high regard. There are plenty of folks in this field, that I know of, who CHOSE to make less money than they could because of how much they care about their patients. Not everyone, of course, but a lot. For many, money is NOT the primary mover, and it is NOT the primary motivator for excellence. For some, there are other things more important.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's not a very moderate tone.
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    Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health careYou need to stop doing this... NOW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Lets examine your loaded terms and bias

    1) "milked money from the system"

    marxist speak for people who worked hard and worked smart

    2) worry about doctors too much

    No, I worry about freedom and our constitution too much

    3) the "richest people in town"

    the scummy attorneys who sue doctors make more

    you seem to be one of those bitter cubicle bunnies who is mad at those who make more than you are. ITs a strange combination of populist nonsense and socialist nonsense.

    But you prove my point

    most of the support for the obamanonsense comes from those who want the legislation to Punish people
    project much
    those "scummy" attorneys
    earlier in this thread today you stated that you are an attorney:
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    all law involves contract

    I am a civil and constitutional rights trial attorney as well as handling employment discrimination and labor issues.

    The "general welfare" and necessary and proper is not a specific delegation of power. If it were then congress could do anything it wanted and the tenth amendment would have no meaning because, by definition, congress will always "find" that its legislation is "necessary and proper" or "for the general welfare"

    However, in the last 15 years the tenth amendment--totally ignored by the FDR administration to the point that even conservative jurists accepted its shunning as precedent--has become a bit more prominent as the USSC struck down parts of the Brady Bill in Prinz and in Lopez threw out a law that penalized having a gun within a certain distance of a school as violations of the tenth amendment
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    bet you are a joy to have within your bar

    color me dubious
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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Congressman Plans to File Complaint Against Anti-Obama Doctor

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...-obama-doctor/

    An outspoken U.S. congressman is planning to file a complaint against the central Florida urologist who posted a sign on his office door warning supporters of President Obama to find a different doctor.
    I have to admit I never saw a sign in a Doctors Office saying; "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."

    But shouldn't a Doctor be able to choose who he will see without the Gestapo Congress getting involved.

    It's not like the sign said: "If you look like Obama go away."

    That might be a little over the top and actually racist.

    The Doctor was just expressing his displeasure with the PHONY Obama plan.

    Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.
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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    project much
    those "scummy" attorneys
    earlier in this thread today you stated that you are an attorney:


    bet you are a joy to have within your bar

    color me dubious
    LOL-put up some bucks and I would be happy to prove my standing in the bar

    and I, like many attorneys believe the following

    1) there are too many lawschools churning out

    2) too many attorneys

    3) who are chasing too few dollars

    4) thus causing lots of bogus lawsuits to be filed

    costing this country far more money


    I have always supported making it as hard to get into law school as medical school

    closing lots of the third rate law schools

    making plaintiffs pay the legal fees of winning defendants



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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL-put up some bucks and I would be happy to prove my standing in the bar

    and I, like many attorneys believe the following

    1) there are too many lawschools churning out

    2) too many attorneys

    3) who are chasing too few dollars

    4) thus causing lots of bogus lawsuits to be filed

    costing this country far more money


    I have always supported making it as hard to get into law school as medical school

    closing lots of the third rate law schools

    making plaintiffs pay the legal fees of winning defendants
    I placed in bold the one I especially like. I've been saying this for years, but my caveat would be only in a case where a judge deems the lawsuit frivolous. There are some legitimate lawsuits that one could lose where I don't think this would be appropriate.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I placed in bold the one I especially like. I've been saying this for years, but my caveat would be only in a case where a judge deems the lawsuit frivolous. There are some legitimate lawsuits that one could lose where I don't think this would be appropriate.
    in the federal system dealing with say discrimination or reprisal if the plaintiff wins the government agency is required to pay the plaintiff's legal fees even if the plaintiff loses 4 counts out of five (suppose the plaintiff sued claiming she was not promoted due to race, sex, age, disability and reprisal and if she only prevails on age her attorney normally will get all or most of his fees)

    the same should be true if the defendant wins the case.

    in medical malpractice cases or federal tort claim cases the state or federal government usually awards the plaintiff's counsel 30-40% of the take. Now this means in some cases the attorney gets far more than his normal hourly rate and in some cases less

    I believe the same standard should be true for the defendant. If a plaintiff claims a million dollars in damages and loses counsel for the defendant ought to get 300-400K
    Last edited by TurtleDude; 04-03-10 at 09:42 PM.



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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    … I like his attitude.
    Keith is back! And his attitude about this ethically impaired doctor suits me far more.

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