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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    No I don't. I don't know if this bill is going to do any good or not. I think it would have been nice if the republicans had made their changes when they had the chance and then the democrats wouldn't have felt the need to make such huge changes. Obamas plan become reality because the republicans did nothing.
    It's too bad Nixon's healthcare plan wasn't enacted . By now we would know if it was a success or not.
    I know you guys would rather nothing be done and let things get worse but the democrats saw the need for reform and acted on it.
    Ah, so this is one gigantic, "gubment good binnis bad" speech. Gotcha, you should have stopped when you admitted that you don't know whether this will work or not, it will not work, I am an insurance professional, the way it's written is horrid.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Ah, so this is one gigantic, "gubment good binnis bad" speech. Gotcha, you should have stopped when you admitted that you don't know whether this will work or not, it will not work, I am an insurance professional, the way it's written is horrid.
    Did you read it?
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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    What a scumbug. He swore an oath, and yet he puts pathetic partisan politics above his profession. The only saving grace is that he is screwing himself by losing out on reasonable customers. He is more than welcome to bash Obama all he likes, but it is shameful to go so far.
    It is you and almost all Liberal that are all about Partisan Politics and can't stand the thought of anyone not liking the PHONY Obama I don't Really Care about Your Health Plan that is not about Health at all.

    It's about destruction of the economy and control. Anyone who can't see it for what it is must have issues related to reading comprehension or worse.

    The cost to everyone is going to skyrocket if not stopped.

    Those who stand for nothing fall for anything, It's the Liberal way.
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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Did you read it?
    In progress right now. So far so bad.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Let's not get ahead of ourselves. the skew is not going to be far past that, the high is probably just a very small sample group and couldn't be quantified, either that or the numbers may not be as stable, in other words the swing could be all over the map. But if those two factors are true then the mean would be extremely close to accurate if not dead bang on.
    On the link you provided ANY income be it the low, median or high that would be above $145600 is defaulted back to $145600

    The true median might be $200 000 and it will list $145600, the high might be $300 000 and it will default to $145600. Which means using any the lists that have the $145600 listed is going to provide inaccurate results

    As the family and general Practition that you listed initially has the

    $145600 for the median and the high, it is logical to assume the median is greater then the $145600 and the high is also higher then the $145600. Making the mean you calculated incorrect as you do not have the actual values to be able to calculate a mean
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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    On the link you provided ANY income be it the low, median or high that would be above $145600 is defaulted back to $145600

    The true median might be $200 000 and it will list $145600, the high might be $300 000 and it will default to $145600. Which means using any the lists that have the $145600 listed is going to provide inaccurate results

    As the family and general Practition that you listed initially has the

    $145600 for the median and the high, it is logical to assume the median is greater then the $145600 and the high is also higher then the $145600. Making the mean you calculated incorrect as you do not have the actual values to be able to calculate a mean
    I don't know how you are reading these numbers but that is not what I get from it at all. The overall point of this threa though is this bill was ****, this administration is ****, and this congress is **** in the doctors opinion, so he's letting those responsible know how he feels about getting screwed.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    In progress right now. So far so bad.
    Can you point out some page numbers that are really bad? Seriously.
    I have heard a lot of people say it is horrible but they can't tell me specifically what's so horrible about it.
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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I don't know how you are reading these numbers but that is not what I get from it at all. The overall point of this threa though is this bill was ****, this administration is ****, and this congress is **** in the doctors opinion, so he's letting those responsible know how he feels about getting screwed.
    Then you need help in understanding stats

    Take a look at some other professions on that link. Notice that for some other medical careers the median is $145600 and the high is $145600.

    Not one career listed has a median greater then $145600 or a high greater then $145600

    If it listed the salaries of the NBA the low would be $145600, the median would be $145600, and the high would be $145600.

    Any figure above $145600 is defaulted to that value.

    It is not that complicated to understand
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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    The latest earnings information for physicians, among others, can be found at: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/ocwage.pdf

    Health care professionals can be found on pp.12-13 of the .pdf.

    Mean earnings = Total earnings of all persons from a category/Total # of persons in the category

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Something is wrong with the list in your link

    The high and the median income is the same, something that is not possible,

    The median income is $145600 and the high income is $145600

    Meaning your calculation would be wrong as well

    It appears that that site does not calculate the high income if it is over 145600 and just defaults to that figure


    Which means trying to calculate the mean from that site is impossible as it is not providing the information that would be required to do so
    As you correctly noted, the "high" (which the site defines as the threshold for which 90% are earning below that figure) and "median" (where 50% earn above and 50% earn below the figure) cannot be the same.

    In any case, the mean figure for family and general practioners was $161,490 in the latest Bureau of Labor Statistics data (page 12).

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