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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    OK, I would venture that is absurd, but what would you consider just compensation for all the sacrifice these people do??
    Well, I took my wife to the doctor last week for a cough that won't go away. The doctor spent less than 3 minutes looking down her throat, nose and ears. It took him two minutes to write a prescription. Total time spent with doctor=5 min. Total physician charge on my bill $210/5 min. They charge what they want because they can.
    Fair compensation for a doctor? $100,000 to $1,000,000/ year. The artificially created doctor shortage is what drives prices up. The government should make sure that anyone with the qualifications and desire to be a doctor has the opportunity to do so.
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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post


    I think that is an extremely poor way to judge a bill.
    I mean there should be some certainty that it will work otherwise they shouldn't pass it.

    That is insane.
    You can't be serious. Has a bill ever been enacted in history that was certain to succeed? There is absolutely no way to determine if a bill will work or not.
    There are no guarantees or certainty in anything the government does. There never have been. Every piece of legislation helps some people and hurts others. It's all about making the best guess.
    "This Administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our country."" GWB

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    You can't be serious. Has a bill ever been enacted in history that was certain to succeed? There is absolutely no way to determine if a bill will work.
    There are no guarantees or certainty in anything the government does. There never have been. Every piece of legislation helps some people and hurts others. It's all about making the best guess.
    There are ways to determine if something will be a success or failure based on actuarial and other statistical measures.

    The second part is that we should be fixing the debt problems before we create another possible addition to the overall debt.
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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    I'd defininantly go see this doc if I had a problem of the nature he treats. The man is FREAKING GENIUS. I mean, we're how many pages into this now? Over a simple poster in his window.

    We've had Hazlnut get busted posting bull**** from a "doc rating" site, to even more profound mouthfrothing...

    This is like... pure comedic gold.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Doing it at a loss? Whoever said that? Another totally ridiculous comment.
    You did, the minute you started making asanine statements about putting profit over patients.

    The fact is the best doctors are not in it for the money.
    That isn't even close to a "fact" that is a talking point used by spoiled little UHC supporters to make themselves feel better about screwing over doctors.
    Even so, have you ever met a poor doctor?
    The typical general family practicioner makes less than 6 digits a year, not poor, but certainly not rich.
    They all do pretty well. Why can't republicans understand that money isn't everything.
    And now you have pretty much completed your circle of ignorance, it is not about money with conservatives or Republicans, it is about liberty and the constitution, a concept lost on the hard side of the left completely.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There are ways to determine if something will be a success or failure based on actuarial and other statistical measures.

    The second part is that we should be fixing the debt problems before we create another possible addition to the overall debt.
    Nope. There really is no way to guarantee success with anything because no one can predict with certainty what the future holds. Even with all the data, it's still a guess.
    Actuaries can be horribly wrong and depend on guesswork. The actuaries at AIG proved that.
    We should have started fixing the debt problem 9 years ago. Ignoring the healthcare problem was not an option. It's been ignored too long. I do not support the current bill but I understand why they passed it. And I will make the best of it.
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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Nope. There really is no way to guarantee success with anything because no one can predict with certainty what the future holds. Even with all the data, it's still a guess.
    Actuaries can be horribly wrong and depend on guesswork. The actuaries at AIG proved that.
    We should have started fixing the debt problem 9 years ago. Ignoring the healthcare problem was not an option. It's been ignored too long. I do not support the current bill but I understand why they passed it. And I will make the best of it.
    Actuaries can be off but in general they can provide a decent forecast.

    From everything I've read so far, this isn't going to work and it's going to cost both government and the individual more than everyone expects.
    To see the best example of this we can look at MassCare, how premiums have gone up a lot and the quality of care from it's public option has been hampered greatly by denial of services and it's speed of paying the bills.

    The bureaucracy from that is too unwieldy.
    Now with Medicaid as the new, limited public option, it will get even more out of control.
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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You did, the minute you started making asanine statements about putting profit over patients.

    That isn't even close to a "fact" that is a talking point used by spoiled little UHC supporters to make themselves feel better about screwing over doctors. The typical general family practicioner makes less than 6 digits a year, not poor, but certainly not rich. And now you have pretty much completed your circle of ignorance, it is not about money with conservatives or Republicans, it is about liberty and the constitution, a concept lost on the hard side of the left completely.
    Wrong. The typical family practitioner makes 150k/year. Many make much more.
    Talk about ignorance. You are starting to embarrass yourself. You might want to move on.
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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Wrong. The typical family practitioner makes 150k/year. Many make much more.
    Talk about ignorance. You are starting to embarrass yourself. You might want to move on.
    Nope, that's bull****. The typical general and family practicioner can make between 150-250k a year but usually averages around 85k, this is a gross before tax average.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Nope, that's bull****. The typical general and family practicioner can make between 150-250k a year but usually averages around 85k, this is a gross before tax average.
    What is it? First you said the typical family practitioner made less than 6 digits.
    Now you say the typical family practitioner makes 150 to 250.
    Sorry Slick, but the average is around 150k for general practioner.

    General doctors aren't the problem anyway. It's the specialists that make millions that drive our costs up..
    Last edited by USA_1; 04-03-10 at 04:31 PM.
    "This Administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our country."" GWB

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