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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I think we will find that the no pre existing clause is a sham. To the best of my understanding of this bill while it says you can't turn people away, it does not say what you can charge. So yes they can have that clause and then say that someone with some horrible disease can have insurance at $200K per year, great help.

    Also without a strong mandate to have insurance, please explain how this works. I am healthy and don't sign up for insurance, then sign up for insurance after I have been diagnosed for a disease. Logic would say FEWER people will sign up for insurance, at least until 2016 when the mandate kicks in, With a penalty of only $695 people probably won't sign up anyway.

    It just seems fair that people start fully explaining themselves when it comes to what is in or out of this bill. Lets not play gotya debate.
    Once the intent of Congress is made clear by the bill, for instance in the case of no pre-existing conditions, the Department of Health is free to set rules to guarantee compliance. There are no "loopholes" in the bill, just gray areas that will be clarified by future rules.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Once the intent of Congress is made clear by the bill, for instance in the case of no pre-existing conditions, the Department of Health is free to set rules to guarantee compliance. There are no "loopholes" in the bill, just gray areas that will be clarified by future rules.
    That was not my point. The law does not have any type of high risk pool. So while insurance will be offered, it will be very expensive. No regulation will be able to tell a private company that they have to lose money.

    I contend that this bill will be proven to be a lot less beneficial to people with pre-existing conditions than we are being told.

    Interesting isn't it. First we were told, you have not seen the final bill so any flaws pointed out are lies, per the president. Now we are told there is a bill but it will be fixed with regulations.

    So the best defenders can do is say that trust me, that isn't what the bill says but not what it means.

    I would be ashamed if made to make these lame excuses.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    this doc is a certified ass

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    While we can all agree that this doctor is well within his First Amendment rights to do such a thing, he made a pretty bad decision by doing so. After reading that article, I checked with our sales staff about the particular hospitals and private practices we do business with in Mount Dora. While I did see Leesburg Regional Medical Center on our correspondence, I didn't see this particular doctors name. And that's a good thing, because as a laboratory, we would probably have dropped him like a bad habit had he been affiliated with us in the first place. I imagine the companies that do his testing are probably considering this as well, and if not, they are most certainly going to hit him with an inspection within the month. You can bet your bottom dollar on that.

    The sad thing is, it has nothing to do with differences of political opinion, and everything to do with his intention of posting that sign at his place of business. He may not refuse treatment, but if he's that brazen to post that sign, he's probably brazen enough to do other things. My concern would be things like sample-switching, or purposely contaminating said samples as to obscure the results of folks who did, in fact, get treatment at his practice, but made it clear they disagreed with his political views. And we are right to be concerned; after all, he wouldn't be held liable - the laboratory would. And any confirmation tests would be coming out of the laboratory's pocket.

    What he did was the business equivalent of shooting himself in the foot, whether you support him or not. It doesn't matter whether you are conservative or liberal, it's probably best to keep your political opinion to yourself at a place of business. A little professionalism goes a long way.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    While we can all agree that this doctor is well within his First Amendment rights to do such a thing, he made a pretty bad decision by doing so. After reading that article, I checked with our sales staff about the particular hospitals and private practices we do business with in Mount Dora. While I did see Leesburg Regional Medical Center on our correspondence, I didn't see this particular doctors name. And that's a good thing, because as a laboratory, we would probably have dropped him like a bad habit had he been affiliated with us in the first place. I imagine the companies that do his testing are probably considering this as well, and if not, they are most certainly going to hit him with an inspection within the month. You can bet your bottom dollar on that.

    The sad thing is, it has nothing to do with differences of political opinion, and everything to do with his intention of posting that sign at his place of business. He may not refuse treatment, but if he's that brazen to post that sign, he's probably brazen enough to do other things. My concern would be things like sample-switching, or purposely contaminating said samples as to obscure the results of folks who did, in fact, get treatment at his practice, but made it clear they disagreed with his political views. And we are right to be concerned; after all, he wouldn't be held liable - the laboratory would. And any confirmation tests would be coming out of the laboratory's pocket.

    What he did was the business equivalent of shooting himself in the foot, whether you support him or not. It doesn't matter whether you are conservative or liberal, it's probably best to keep your political opinion to yourself at a place of business. A little professionalism goes a long way.
    I will agree that from the viewpoint of how you treat customers or patients it is inappropriate to post such a sign. It was a poorly thought out action in my view.

    That being said, for those who thought talking about death panels was over the top as I did so are some of your comments. To suggest that this doctor would actually do harm to his patients is a pretty outrageous statement. I am not a lawyer, if there is one who reads this I would like your opinion in the statement I am addressing could be called libelous.

    People can't say things like the comment I am pointing out and then claim the other side is over the top.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    What a scumbug. He swore an oath, and yet he puts pathetic partisan politics above his profession. The only saving grace is that he is screwing himself by losing out on reasonable customers. He is more than welcome to bash Obama all he likes, but it is shameful to go so far.
    Wow, someone who puts their principles ahead of money.

    Obama and your dem buddies swore an oath--to uphold the constitution

    WTF is your ire of their betrayal



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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Wow, someone who puts their principles ahead of money.

    Obama and your dem buddies swore an oath--to uphold the constitution

    WTF is your ire of their betrayal
    please name the exact part of the constitution that has been betrayed

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    I saw the guy on Anderson Cooper. What a space-case. Hard to believe this guy made it to doctor status.

    It's no surprise he's a Urologist though. Takes one to know one I suppose.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    That being said, for those who thought talking about death panels was over the top as I did so are some of your comments. To suggest that this doctor would actually do harm to his patients is a pretty outrageous statement. I am not a lawyer, if there is one who reads this I would like your opinion in the statement I am addressing could be called libelous.
    They're only 'over the top' if you don't do business with this particular doctor. We don't know him personally, and the company that does his testing doesn't, either. You can certainly believe that this doctor wouldn't intentionally harm patients who vocally disagree with his political opinion yet recieve medical care from him anyway, but if your business has millions and millions of dollars resting on it, you're gonna need more than an "I believe" statement. Like I said, he'll either get dropped, or he's going to get inspected by whatever company does his testing.

    Agree with him or not, it's just bad for business.

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    Re: Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    please name the exact part of the constitution that has been betrayed
    10th amendment for one

    what part of the document was congress given this power?



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