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Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

Question: Why does it cost as much at animal hospitals as it does for humans even though vets do not have to buy expensive liability and malpractice insurance?

I am talking about basic medical needs and not brain surgery.

Show proof of this.
 
Show proof of this.

The last time I took a cat to my vet for some minor things it cost $150. At that time it would have cost me the same amount to go to a doctor and have th same procedures done.

I am too lazy to prove it now but I would like to check out the comparissions in cost. A lot of them are close in price, you know.
 
But we're not talking about what you would do. We're talking about Obamacare.

That's why I prefaced my comment with "if". I'm not completely sure where this bill is going to lead us. There are things I like about it, and things I do not.

And doesn't Medicare deny more claims on average than the insurance industry?

From information I have read, I think so. This is also why I prefaced my comment with, "from my experience". In my field, Medicare is much easier to deal with than standard insurance companies. I think that physicians have it tougher. Our rate of reimbursement is significantly better than many insurance companies, but worse than that is offered to physicians.
 
Even if it decreases the number of physicians?

They won't though. They affect insurance companies mostly, not providers.
 
Wait - are you saying the gub'mint has a less bureaucratic system than private insurers?

Kinda yeah.

Currently, there are insurance companies that follow the exact rules that Medicare has in place.


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Kinda yeah.

Currently, there are insurance companies that follow the exact rules that Medicare has in place.


:2wave:

But how can that be? The private sector is always superior, efficient, and wise! The government is always an evil, bloated, lazy bureaucracy!
 
What is the argument here? A doctor mingled his politics and his profession and some people think he's a dick and some people think he's a lion. He's no lion, he's probably just lacking a little control in his frontal lobe. He could use some therapy for his anger too.

Any Dr. who decides to get out of the profession because of the Health Care Bill can exit stage left. They are probably ****ty Dr.s to begin with and we'll be just fine without them... better off even.
 
The sign clearly refuses treatment to patients, despite the doctor's denial. He is in violation of the Hippocratic oath and Florida law, and should be prosecuted for his cutesy Teabag behavior.

Abortion is a violation of the Hypocratic Oath, too, but we don't hear the Libs getting their panties in a knot over that. In fact, hasn't it been proposed that doctors be required to perform abortions, even going against their religious convictions? Wasn't there a doc/nurse fired recently because she refused to perform/participate in an abortion?
 
Abortion is a violation of the Hypocratic Oath, too, but we don't hear the Libs getting their panties in a knot over that. In fact, hasn't it been proposed that doctors be required to perform abortions, even going against their religious convictions? Wasn't there a doc/nurse fired recently because she refused to perform/participate in an abortion?

Doctors are not forced to perform abortions. They refer patients to doctors that do.
 
Abortion is a violation of the Hypocratic Oath, too, but we don't hear the Libs getting their panties in a knot over that. In fact, hasn't it been proposed that doctors be required to perform abortions, even going against their religious convictions? Wasn't there a doc/nurse fired recently because she refused to perform/participate in an abortion?

No, abortions are not against the hippocratic oath. I would love to see how you prove that one.

And doctors do not perform abortions if they don't want to do so. In fact, general practitioners and family medicine practitioners don't perform them at all. They refer patients who want abortions to specific abortion doctors.
 
PBO wants to rescind law protecting medical professionals for refusing to perform abortions. Abortions are in conflict with the Hypocratic Oath, since some of you folks seem to be worried about it so much.

Obama to rescind Bush abortion rule - White House- msnbc.com

I'm no fan of Obama, but he is totally justified in rescinding that measure by Bush. It was worded in such a way that it would allow doctors to refuse birth control to patients also. Read your own sources before you post them. It will help you to avoid self destruction of your argument.
 
PBO wants to rescind law protecting medical professionals for refusing to perform abortions. Abortions are in conflict with the Hypocratic Oath, since some of you folks seem to be worried about it so much.

Obama to rescind Bush abortion rule - White House- msnbc.com

"That rule was actually a poorly drafted last-minute attempt to, I think, restrict health care access and I think it would have had far-reaching and unintended consequences."
"Federal law has long forbidden discrimination against health care professionals who refuse to perform abortions or provide referrals for them on religious or moral grounds. The Obama administration supports those laws, said the HHS official"

Sometimes you have to read the whole piece to get the truth.
 
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No, abortions are not against the hippocratic oath. I would love to see how you prove that one.

And doctors do not perform abortions if they don't want to do so. In fact, general practitioners and family medicine practitioners don't perform them at all. They refer patients who want abortions to specific abortion doctors.

Your wish is my command, sir.

I swear by Apollo, the healer, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath and agreement:
To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art.

I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.

But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.

I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.

All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.

If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot.
 
I'm no fan of Obama, but he is totally justified in rescinding that measure by Bush. It was worded in such a way that it would allow doctors to refuse birth control to patients also. Read your own sources before you post them. It will help you to avoid self destruction of your argument.

So much for religious freedom. eh?
 
So much for religious freedom. eh?

Your religion cannot be imposed on another person. Pharmacists and doctors are there to dispense meds and medical care, not to impose their religious restrictions on perfectly legal medical procedures and care. If they don't like it, find another profession more in line with their religious insecurities.
 
Your wish is my command, sir.

That's not the hippocratic oath doctors take today. So MASSIVE FAIL.

Today's Hippocratic Oath


I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.
 
I am really pleased- although not surprised- that Obama is following through with his promise to rescind this piece of garbage.
 
That's not the hippocratic oath doctors take today. So MASSIVE FAIL.

Today's Hippocratic Oath

Oops. Shame when those little details get in the way of a perfectly good rant.
 
But how can that be? The private sector is always superior, efficient, and wise! The government is always an evil, bloated, lazy bureaucracy!

Why are you having this dialog with yourself when you've done nothing to prove what you're saying? Did you know that Medicare denies more claims on average than the insurance industries? Did you know that an increasing number of physicians are refusing to take Medicare because of low payments and onerous paperwork? Your opinion does not reflect reality.
 
Oops. Shame when those little details get in the way of a perfectly good rant.

Funny thing is, it's been that way since 1966. It's not like it was breaking news or anything. LOL
 
It has absolutely nothing to do with religious freedom. It's about doing ones job.

Do you oppose soldiers declaring a contiencious objector status in the United States military? Killing the enemy is a soldier's job. Yes?
 
Do you oppose soldiers declaring a contiencious objector status in the United States military? Killing the enemy is a soldier's job. Yes?

Depends on what job they signed on for. I would fully expect a chaplain to object while someone who signed on as infantry, I would see court martialed for refusing to perform that duty.
 
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