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Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

I agree, but I would contend that these types are not in the majority. Most people are just out to earn a living, whether they're a doctor, a teacher, or a fry cook. Once physicians feel they aren't earning a salary commensurate with their skill set, they will start exiting the field in large numbers, and many potential physicians won't even bother going to medical school. Who'd want to endure four years of intensive training only to make less than you're worth while navigating a labyrinthine system of government bureaucracies? Oh, and don't forget the lawsuits!

Physicians already have to navigate a labyrinthine system of bureaucracies: the insurance industry. I deal with insurance companies and with Medicare. I'd rather deal with Medicare any day. And though most people are out to earn a living, how they determine what they feel they are worth varies from person to person. Is it the majority? I don't know. Is it a minority? I don't know. My position is that the general altruistic nature of the profession has a big impact on this issue, and the almighty dollar isn't as important as it may be in other jobs.
 
If he's able to retire and wants to sell exotic lizards, he should. When I retire I'm going to wear a red hat and a purple coat when I go outside.

We all have to have retirement goals.

Seriously though, you not suggesting that he's going to retire strictly because of Healthcare reform are you?

That's what he told my father. He's already pretty well off and thinks there is decent money to be made in the exotic lizard trade.
 
Physicians already have to navigate a labyrinthine system of bureaucracies: the insurance industry. I deal with insurance companies and with Medicare. I'd rather deal with Medicare any day. And though most people are out to earn a living, how they determine what they feel they are worth varies from person to person. Is it the majority? I don't know. Is it a minority? I don't know. My position is that the general altruistic nature of the profession has a big impact on this issue, and the almighty dollar isn't as important as it may be in other jobs.

What field are you in?
 
That's what he told my father. He's already pretty well off and thinks there is decent money to be made in the exotic lizard trade.

Any doctor who retires and claims it's because of health care reform isn't being honest.

If he retires it's because he wants to retire. He just wants to add some fuel to the fire on his way out.


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Yes, SOME physicians are very altruistic, but if you're counting on these types of people to meet the entire demand of the American public, you're just dreaming.

In the times that we are living there could soon come that time when we will have to decide.

I only dream of Lady Ga Ga.:)
 
Hmmm in one breath he says go else where in another he says he won't refuse service. The man is speaking out of both sides of his mouth

And that is why I must wonder if he is still fit to possess a medical license.
 
Any doctor who retires and claims it's because of health care reform isn't being honest.

If he retires it's because he wants to retire. He just wants to add some fuel to the fire on his way out.


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He wants to retire because of the healthcare bill. You're free to call him a liar, but I don't know where you get the nerve...
 
He wants to retire because of the healthcare bill. You're free to call him a liar, but I don't know where you get the nerve...

He really has a puerile attitude. He must come from a wealthy family.
 
I saw this retard spewing all kinds of lies about the health care bill. He then said he got his information from the internet.

The moral of the story is he only wants to see your penis if you voted for McCain. :shock:

:rofl
 
Physicians already have to navigate a labyrinthine system of bureaucracies: the insurance industry. I deal with insurance companies and with Medicare. I'd rather deal with Medicare any day.

Wait - are you saying the gub'mint has a less bureaucratic system than private insurers?
 
He really has a puerile attitude. He must come from a wealthy family.

He doesn't. His father was an Army Sergeant during the Korean War. He married a Korean woman and worked at a canned-corn plant until he retired. They had seven children (including my uncle), who were all half-Korean; they experienced harsh racism their entire young lives; they were anything but wealthy.

As for my uncle, he was able to get an academic scholarship to the University of Florida where he obtained his engineering degree. He went to medical school and did four years of residency in his specialty before he started practicing on his own; he also paid back over a hundred thousand dollars of debt. You've probably never done anything half as challenging as that, yet you have the nerve to call my uncle puerile, simply because he wants to practice medicine in a free market.

Physicians are not your slaves and votes have consequences.

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Wait - are you saying the gub'mint has a less bureaucratic system than private insurers?

Highly doubtful.

Many people, just as they become eligible for Medicare, discover that the insurance rug has been pulled out from under them. Some doctors — often internists but also gastroenterologists, gynecologists, psychiatrists and other specialists — are no longer accepting Medicare, either because they have opted out of the insurance system or they are not accepting new patients with Medicare coverage. The doctors’ reasons: reimbursement rates are too low and paperwork too much of a hassle.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/retirementspecial/02health.html

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When Helen Edmonds moved from one Atlanta suburb to another, she began to look for new doctors.

"The first thing they ask is what insurance do I have," Edmonds says. "When I say Medicare, they say the doctor doesn't take Medicare."

In Colorado, Charlotte Sennett, 72, and her husband stayed in traditional Medicare for years rather than switching to an HMO, even though it cost more. "We felt it was more stable," says Sennett.

But now the Sennetts face a problem they never expected: Their Denver-area doctor will no longer accept the traditional government insurance program.

After years of using an insurance plan just about all doctors and hospitals accepted, Medicare patients are now shocked to find they aren't wanted.

In some cities, doctors frustrated with what they say are low Medicare payments and onerous rules are limiting the number of Medicare patients they take — or refusing to accept new Medicare patients at all. Some physicians are even telling longtime patients that they have to find new doctors when they hit 65 and qualify for Medicare.

USATODAY.com - Rejections rise for Medicare patients

Obamacare will create even more rules, regulations, boards, agencies, etc. to deal with, which will further disincentivize people from becoming or remaining physicians.
 
Obamacare will create even more rules, regulations, boards, agencies, etc. to deal with, which will further disincentivize people from becoming or remaining physicians.

It really is this simple. :dito:
 
He doesn't. His father was an Army Sergeant during the Korean War. He married a Korean woman and worked at a canned-corn plant until he retired. They had seven children (including my uncle), who were all half-Korean; they experienced harsh racism their entire young lives; they were anything but wealthy.

As for my uncle, he was able to get an academic scholarship to the University of Florida where he obtained his engineering degree. He went to medical school and did four years of residency in his specialty before he started practicing on his own; he also paid back over a hundred thousand dollars of debt. You've probably never done anything half as challenging as that, yet you have the nerve to call my uncle puerile, simply because he wants to practice medicine in a free market.

Physicians are not your slaves and votes have consequences.

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I did not say that he was puerile I said that his attitude was puerile.

I know that he waas helped a lot by the socialist policies of the US educational system, which by the way, is extremely liberal. You can not say that he was not helped by the government along the way, can you?

Our country gave a lot of help to korean refugees during the bad times.

I'll tell you what, though. Koreans are very intelligent, hardworking and have a lot of emotional intelligence. They have excellent family structure also.

I knew a korean young man who was 18 years old who knew more than his journeyman boss.:)
 
It really is this simple. :dito:

Except it's not.

How many of these boards or rules will doctors have to deal with at all?

Most involve either research or insurance rules that the insurance companies will have to deal with, not doctors. The insurance companies get lots of new customers in return.
 
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I did not say that he was puerile I said that his attitude was puerile.

I know that he waas helped a lot by the socialist policies of the US educational system, which by the way, is extremely liberal. You can not say that he was not helped by the government along the way, can you?

Our country gave a lot of help to korean refugees during the bad times.

I'll tell you what, though. Koreans are very intelligent, hardworking and have a lot of emotional intelligence. They have excellent family structure also.

I knew a korean young man who was 18 years old who knew more than his journeyman boss.:)

I've lost interest in you. Find someone else to talk to...
 
Hmmm in one breath he says go else where in another he says he won't refuse service. The man is speaking out of both sides of his mouth

For Libs who harp on nuance and subtleties, who get into parsing what "is" is or isn't, the above is another intellectual scud of a post from the UnAmerican faction.

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Obamacare will create even more rules, regulations, boards, agencies, etc. to deal with, which will further disincentivize people from becoming or remaining physicians.

If these rules, regulations, boards, and agencies are created towards the abuses by the insurance industry, and to manage things like tort reform, I am all for them. These kinds of reforms are badly needed.
 
If these rules, regulations, boards, and agencies are created towards the abuses by the insurance industry, and to manage things like tort reform, I am all for them. These kinds of reforms are badly needed.

Even if it decreases the number of physicians?
 
Even if it decreases the number of physicians?

The types of reforms and regluations around the insurance industry and tort reform that I would like to see, would not cause that.
 
The types of reforms and regluations around the insurance industry and tort reform that I would like to see, would not cause that.

But we're not talking about what you would do. We're talking about Obamacare.

And doesn't Medicare deny more claims on average than the insurance industry?
 
Tort reform is only a tiny percent of health care, about one percent or something like that.

Will tort reform save us money? I think not. The insurance companies will give it away in ceo bonuses.

Question: Why does it cost as much at animal hospitals as it does for humans even though vets do not have to buy expensive liability and malpractice insurance?

I am talking about basic medical needs and not brain surgery.
 
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