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    Army: Gays still can be dismissed if they speak up

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    Apr 1 07:17 PM US/Eastern
    By ANNE FLAHERTY
    Associated Press Writer
    WASHINGTON (AP) - Reversing course, Army Secretary John McHugh warned soldiers Thursday that they still can be discharged for admitting they are gay, saying he misspoke earlier this week when he suggested the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy had been temporarily suspended.
    The public stumble by a senior service official is an indication of the issue's legal complexity. The Pentagon has said it wants to hear from gay troops as it conducts a broad study on how it could lift the ban, as President Barack Obama wants.
    But to do that, gay service members would have to break the law, which prohibits them from discussing their sexual orientation.
    Defense Department officials say they plan to hire an outside contractor to survey the troops, and that gay troops won't be punished for sharing their views with that third party.
    "Until Congress repeals 'don't ask, don't tell,' it remains the law of the land and the Department of the Army and I will fulfill our obligation to uphold it," McHugh said in a statement Thursday.
    Well looks like progress is being made here. This should be good for a 100 page thread too.
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    Re: Army: Gays still can be dismissed if they speak up

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    Well looks like progress is being made here. This should be good for a 100 page thread too.
    I wonder how many got nabbed in the 'sting'?.......

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    Re: Army: Gays still can be dismissed if they speak up

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    I wonder how many got nabbed in the 'sting'?.......
    It's ongoing. Not even really started yet.

    Best way to abolish it? End it today, immediately. The units are already integrated, they just don't officially know they're integrated. Other countries have had homosexual troops for a while now and none of them have had problems with it. Why is America so backwards?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's ongoing. Not even really started yet.

    Best way to abolish it? End it today, immediately. The units are already integrated, they just don't officially know they're integrated. Other countries have had homosexual troops for a while now and none of them have had problems with it. Why is America so backwards?
    Funny how you always view us as the problem. Let's see, United States has the best military in the world.....hmmmm. We MUST be doing something wrong.
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    Re: Army: Gays still can be dismissed if they speak up

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Funny how you always view us as the problem. Let's see, United States has the best military in the world.....hmmmm. We MUST be doing something wrong.
    What you're telling me is literally "might makes right."
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Army: Gays still can be dismissed if they speak up

    "Best military in the world" is a meaningless concept. We have a bloated and expensive juggernaut that we almost never use and which costs us even more money when we do, but which would theoretically be useful in a third world war which probably won't happen because of the proliferation of nuclear weapons among all potential superpowers. Standing militaries aren't supposed to be as big as the United States's, partially because you can assemble relatively large ones in the scale of a few months if the state assumes control of the relevant industries (as was the case in WWI and WWII). U.S. military size and spending policy is a cold war relic based on the perception there is going to be a third world war at any moment and the United States has sole responsibility for providing the core of the Allied side.
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    Re: Army: Gays still can be dismissed if they speak up

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Funny how you always view us as the problem. Let's see, United States has the best military in the world.....hmmmm. We MUST be doing something wrong.
    Since perfection is impossible, then yes, we are not doing some things the best way. Striving to do better should always be a goal, it's how we keep the number 1 military in the world.
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    Re: Army: Gays still can be dismissed if they speak up

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    no spin, here, i sincerely found the president's sotu bizarre

    all his proposals that nite---the bank tax, the debt commission, the spending freeze...

    it's like he forgot

    i've never seen anything like it, a president to make a sotu and then, y'know, within just a FEW WEEKS to have dropped all his little, y'know, talking points, at least...

    no?

    well, one of the things he pushed that empty evening was this, dadt

    it's turned out to be not so much of a priority, either
    There is a topic to this thread. You might discuss it.

    As I mentioned in the other thread, this points out the complete absurdity to DADT. They cannot even talk to gay soldiers about it, since then they have to kick them out, so they have to hire a third party(Rand probably?) to do it.
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    Re: Army: Gays still can be dismissed if they speak up

    this dadt was another priority for a wednesday nite

    another of those now utterly forgotten positions staked out in a president's always consequential sotu

    except in this case

    cuz everything the president put forth that nite---the bank tax, the debt commission, the spending freeze...

    it's like he forgot

    i've never seen anything like it, a president making a sotu and then, y'know, just a FEW WEEKS later, to have forgotten all the talking points, at least

    he's not gonna follow thru on dadt any more than he did on his bank tax, just words
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    Re: Army: Gays still can be dismissed if they speak up

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    Well looks like progress is being made here. This should be good for a 100 page thread too.
    It's time for that General to receive a dishonorable discharge.

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