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I have to ask if there is anyone who would say that in this kind of case the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment?

My personal opinion is that the systems of Lethal Injection are way to good for people like this freak.

If you are one of those bleeding hearts that feel like we should some how be compassionate to serial killers you're a damn fool.

These people should be make examples of by use of some sort of medieval torture devices that prolong pain and agony as long as possible until after hours they finally succumb to the pain or loss of blood.

There should be a one week time frame in which to appeal then torture should begin on the 8th day, no exception.

This might act as a real deterrent to crime.

I also thing the remains of suicide bombs should be wrapped in pig skin and interred in unmarked graves on hog farms,and thus take the promise of reward away from Islamic Cultists.

If you find this to be over the top tough, ask yourself how you would feel if one of these freaks were responsible for the death of one of you loved ones.


Rodney Alcala sentenced to death for murders of four women and girl, 12 | Mail Online
Police have released more than 100 photographs of unidentified women and girls amid fears they could be the victims of America's worst ever serial killer.

The pictures were taken by Rodney Alcala, who was sentenced to death by lethal injection for the savage murders of a 12-year-old girl and four women.

However, the 66-year-old has admitted killing another 30 women in the 1970s and police believe there could be many more victims.

They have already linked him to the deaths of two Seattle teenagers aged 13 and 17, and a 19-year-old who vanished from the same area, as well as two women in New York and several more in Los Angeles.

The photos were discovered hidden in a storage locker in Seattle, Washington, where Alcala, an amateur photographer, kept his possessions before his arrest.

Although many of the 1,000 pictures were innocent poses in a park or on the beach, some women had stripped off for the camera.

Police believe that Alcala - who is known in the U.S. as the Dating Game Killer because he once appeared on America's version of Blind Date - kept the photographs as sick souvenirs of his victims.
 
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torturing him would make you the same as he.
 
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Lethal injection is generally considered the most humane form of death by the penal system. Personally, I don't care a whit about his rights because, in my mind, his own rights are forfeit when he stole the right of life to those women. The only objection I have to the death penalty is a financial one, not a moral one.

liblady said:
torturing him would make you the same as he.

Not quite. The killer's torture is derived from a sadistic pleasure. The torture mentioned by the poster is meant as a deterrent, not because (and I'm assuming here) that they get some sort of demented thrill from the abuse of another human being. If there was a psychological and evidence-backed argument that pulling a Rumsfeld on guys like this created a measurable deterrent from future crime, I'd support it.
 
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torturing him would make you the same as he.


Not precisely. Arcala tormented and murdered women for his own sick satisfaction, not because they'd actually done him any wrong.

Torturing Arcala as a punishment for his crimes would be a thing done for a purpose, one directly stemming from Arcala's horrific misdeeds. I don't think the two can be directly equated.

Having said that, I have come to agree with Korimyr that however much our emotional desire to inflict suffering on the perp that is comparable to his deeds, to actually do so is to debase ourselves in a profound way.

Better to just execute him expediently and be done with it. Let him justify himself to God, if he can.

At least we will know for absolute certain he will never harm another woman.
 
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… These people should be make examples of …

This might act as a real deterrent to crime. …

So, tell us, Councilman; do you think Rodney Alcala was deterrable? More important, is the next Rodney Alcala deterrable?

If not, then all this torture must be serving some other purpose than deterrence. Maybe it's just liking to see other people suffering. Is that's what this is all about? It should be looked into.
 
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Never heard of the guy but personally I would support a Firing Squad for this piece of ****.
 
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i think having him locked in solitary confinement for the rest of his life would be suficient punishment, the death penalty is empty revenge, having the rest of their lives in prison means that they will live and die knowing no freedom again.
 
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So....killing this guy is wrong, but killing a baby is up to mommy?

A LOT of people feel that way, and I'll just never get it.
 
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torturing him would make you the same as he.

No it wouldn't; that's just patently dumb. He didn't kill killers.
 
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So....killing this guy is wrong, but killing a baby is up to mommy?

A LOT of people feel that way, and I'll just never get it.

The abortion forum is thataway.
 
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The abortion forum is thataway.

What about the capital punishment forum?
 
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Two wrongs do not make a right.
 
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An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

^I like that one.
 
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An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

^I like that one.

But running mass murderers through meat grinders is awesome!
 
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So, tell us, Councilman; do you think Rodney Alcala was deterrable? More important, is the next Rodney Alcala deterrable?

If not, then all this torture must be serving some other purpose than deterrence. Maybe it's just liking to see other people suffering. Is that's what this is all about? It should be looked into.

In a word yes. Even if it only stopped one of these freaks it would be a success.
 
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I think it's funny that people consider putting someone out of our misery to be cruel punishment to THEM - but a lifetime in jail is actually acceptable.

You'd think that these people who value the "quality of treatment" would prefer a swift execution as opposed to a lifetime behind bars.
 
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In a word yes. Even if it only stopped one of these freaks it would be a success.

It won't. The reason people commit crimes like these is because they don't think they will get caught.
 
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I have to ask if there is anyone who would say that in this kind of case the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment?

My personal opinion is that the systems of Lethal Injection are way to good for people like this freak.

If you are one of those bleeding hearts that feel like we should some how be compassionate to serial killers you're a damn fool.

These people should be make examples of by use of some sort of medieval torture devices that prolong pain and agony as long as possible until after hours they finally succumb to the pain or loss of blood.

There should be a one week time frame in which to appeal then torture should begin on the 8th day, no exception.

This might act as a real deterrent to crime.

I also thing the remains of suicide bombs should be wrapped in pig skin and interred in unmarked graves on hog farms,and thus take the promise of reward away from Islamic Cultists.

If you find this to be over the top tough, ask yourself how you would feel if one of these freaks were responsible for the death of one of you loved ones.

Lethal injection isn't painful but rotting in a prison is.
 
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Hatuey said:
It won't. The reason people commit crimes like these is because they don't think they will get caught.

I'm not quite sure I buy that. I look at America which is among the leaders in the world in murders per capita by country, and I ask myself "is American justice and investigation completely inept compared to other countries?" and I just can't draw a mark to that.

There has to be something. Switzerland is very prolific with firearms and they have among the lowest homicide rates in the world. Same with Israel.

Of course, Israel may be an exception to that. If I had a choice between being in a locked room with 1 Mossad agent or 10 CIA guys, I'd take the CIA and not look back. Outside of that though, there just has to be something else.
 
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torturing him would make you the same as he.
You're a human being, so you are already like him. Anymore worn out comments? I mean really, that one is as tired as your avatar.
 
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There's no evidence that capital punishment deters anything. None, zip, zero. Study after study finds no correlation or even a lowering of crime in those places that do have it.

If that's your argument, think of another, cause it holds no water.

I'm not going to shed one tear over this guy. There are some people who deserve it.

I however am against capital punishment because I know that our system is not perfect -- I know that sometimes innocent people get convicted and guilty people go free. And I don't think we should have a 100% irreversible punishment in a system that is not 100% perfect.

And no, I wouldn't make exceptions. ("But this guy confessed and is really terrible!") Once you start making exceptions, it just opens it up and soon there are more exceptions and more and then we find out we've executed someone innocent.

Lock him up forever, like Charles Manson and many other terrible people who will die in jail and never see freedom again.
 
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Myself I would rather die than spend the rest of my days in the can. That being said I wouldn’t have any qualms about putting a bullet in this freaks head. Lethal injection is much too humane.
 
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I oppose capital punishment not because I have any sympathy for convicts; my sympathy is with those who must carry out the punishment. No matter how awful the crimes, killing a criminal leaves a mark on the innocent people we have hired to serve in our criminal justice system.
 
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I look at America which is among the leaders in the world in murders per capita by country, and I ask myself "is American justice and investigation completely inept compared to other countries?" and I just can't draw a mark to that.

Other questions worth asking:
  1. The US is the only Western country with the death penalty. Is that why perps "off" their victims so that they can't be identified?
  2. Might it be that you have the BEST investigators but that you also have far more murderers? Why might that be?

There has to be something. Switzerland is very prolific with firearms and they have among the lowest homicide rates in the world.
They do have LOTS of firearms, but they also have LOTS of control of those arms. The regulations controlling and reporting the care, storage and use of any arms in Switzerland would make Charlton Heston spin in his casket.

IMO the question of why such-and-such a society has a high or low murder rate has little to do with gun control (although the relationship between some Americans and their firearms always strikes me as a little bit icky) and virtually nothing to do with judicial deterrence. If that were the case then the lowest homicide rates would apply to the jurisdictions with the severest penalties and there's little evidence that such a correlation exists.

The biggest correlation is between homicide rates and rates of poverty and social inequality. This is an interesting read...
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Obviously this has little to do with finding a rational social response to the punishment of serial killers as there we are dealing with irrational, psychotic and sociopathic behaviour. I believe all killing is bad. Period. It has a negative impact on the victim (obviously) the killer and society in general. Always. That doesn't mean to say that everyone who has killed another person cannot find a justification for that killing, and thus avoid social sanction. But it is still a bad thing. Always.
 
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All the other arguments aside...me personally, I dont want to pay 150 grand a year to keep this guy in 3 squares a day, tv, education programs, full exercise equipment, counciling, psychiatric care and Cadillac Healthcare, thats if he doesnt get a major disease, then the costs can go in the millions.....taking into consideration he tortured and murdered alot of women and young girls...just " Gitter done"
 
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