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    Re: The 'most prolific' serial killer in U.S. history is sentenced to death as police

    There's no evidence that capital punishment deters anything. None, zip, zero. Study after study finds no correlation or even a lowering of crime in those places that do have it.

    If that's your argument, think of another, cause it holds no water.

    I'm not going to shed one tear over this guy. There are some people who deserve it.

    I however am against capital punishment because I know that our system is not perfect -- I know that sometimes innocent people get convicted and guilty people go free. And I don't think we should have a 100% irreversible punishment in a system that is not 100% perfect.

    And no, I wouldn't make exceptions. ("But this guy confessed and is really terrible!") Once you start making exceptions, it just opens it up and soon there are more exceptions and more and then we find out we've executed someone innocent.

    Lock him up forever, like Charles Manson and many other terrible people who will die in jail and never see freedom again.

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    Re: The 'most prolific' serial killer in U.S. history is sentenced to death as police

    Myself I would rather die than spend the rest of my days in the can. That being said I wouldn’t have any qualms about putting a bullet in this freaks head. Lethal injection is much too humane.
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    Re: The 'most prolific' serial killer in U.S. history is sentenced to death as police

    I oppose capital punishment not because I have any sympathy for convicts; my sympathy is with those who must carry out the punishment. No matter how awful the crimes, killing a criminal leaves a mark on the innocent people we have hired to serve in our criminal justice system.
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    Re: The 'most prolific' serial killer in U.S. history is sentenced to death as police

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I look at America which is among the leaders in the world in murders per capita by country, and I ask myself "is American justice and investigation completely inept compared to other countries?" and I just can't draw a mark to that.
    Other questions worth asking:
    1. The US is the only Western country with the death penalty. Is that why perps "off" their victims so that they can't be identified?
    2. Might it be that you have the BEST investigators but that you also have far more murderers? Why might that be?


    There has to be something. Switzerland is very prolific with firearms and they have among the lowest homicide rates in the world.
    They do have LOTS of firearms, but they also have LOTS of control of those arms. The regulations controlling and reporting the care, storage and use of any arms in Switzerland would make Charlton Heston spin in his casket.

    IMO the question of why such-and-such a society has a high or low murder rate has little to do with gun control (although the relationship between some Americans and their firearms always strikes me as a little bit icky) and virtually nothing to do with judicial deterrence. If that were the case then the lowest homicide rates would apply to the jurisdictions with the severest penalties and there's little evidence that such a correlation exists.

    The biggest correlation is between homicide rates and rates of poverty and social inequality. This is an interesting read...
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    Obviously this has little to do with finding a rational social response to the punishment of serial killers as there we are dealing with irrational, psychotic and sociopathic behaviour. I believe all killing is bad. Period. It has a negative impact on the victim (obviously) the killer and society in general. Always. That doesn't mean to say that everyone who has killed another person cannot find a justification for that killing, and thus avoid social sanction. But it is still a bad thing. Always.
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    Re: The 'most prolific' serial killer in U.S. history is sentenced to death as police

    All the other arguments aside...me personally, I dont want to pay 150 grand a year to keep this guy in 3 squares a day, tv, education programs, full exercise equipment, counciling, psychiatric care and Cadillac Healthcare, thats if he doesnt get a major disease, then the costs can go in the millions.....taking into consideration he tortured and murdered alot of women and young girls...just " Gitter done"

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    Re: The 'most prolific' serial killer in U.S. history is sentenced to death as police

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I think it's funny that people consider putting someone out of our misery to be cruel punishment to THEM - but a lifetime in jail is actually acceptable.

    You'd think that these people who value the "quality of treatment" would prefer a swift execution as opposed to a lifetime behind bars.
    thats why i'm opposed to the death penalty, i see life in jail a much greater punishment
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    Re: The 'most prolific' serial killer in U.S. history is sentenced to death as police

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    There's no evidence that capital punishment deters anything. None, zip, zero. Study after study finds no correlation or even a lowering of crime in those places that do have it.

    If that's your argument, think of another, cause it holds no water.

    I'm not going to shed one tear over this guy. There are some people who deserve it.
    This is an uninformed misconceived statement in light of there not being very many death penalties being carried out except in Texas.

    When people are not being taken following conviction to a place of execution where they are hanged by the neck until dead in the public square it is of course no deterrent.

    When people know the worst thing that will happen is a shot in the arm and they go to sleep.

    It's like when a Doctor tries to ease the pain of a family by saying they die peacefully in their sleep. Lethal injection has no bad connotation attached.

    If you think it's better to waste a fortune keeping scum alive and giving them free health care until they die peacefully in their sleep is a deterrent your kidding your misguided Liberal self.

    Put some fear in the death penalty and then carry it out in public ans if it saves on young victim it's worth she savings.

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    Re: The 'most prolific' serial killer in U.S. history is sentenced to death as police

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    thats why i'm opposed to the death penalty, i see life in jail a much greater punishment
    I respectfully submit... absolutely wrong...

    Most americans have absolutely no clue what goes on in prisons...they have predisposed ideas based on the movies theyve watched.
    There are no more more James Cagney Alcatraz's they are ALL long since gone.
    How do I know this..I worked 28 yrs in Maximum Security Prison and retired a Captain.
    The average american would be appalled at the rights inmates have and WHAT they are allowed to do and given on YOUR dime.
    Almost all prisons have contact visits that individuals with life sentences are included, special situations for their religious beliefs..they get the "BEST" medical care, free dental, eye glass's , hearing aids..custom made shoes if they have foot problems...the best of the best... they get PAID to work and they can spend it in the prison store, they have tvs in their cells and radio....they get outside food packages and clothing....Look I could go on and on...heres a simple truth as I see it from my experience...it is NOT worse to give them life in prison under any circumstances....its much worse for the victims families and the taxpayers
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    Re: The 'most prolific' serial killer in U.S. history is sentenced to death as police

    Quote Originally Posted by Sentinel View Post
    I respectfully submit... absolutely wrong...

    Most americans have absolutely no clue what goes on in prisons...they have predisposed ideas based on the movies theyve watched.
    There are no more more James Cagney Alcatraz's they are ALL long since gone.
    How do I know this..I worked 28 yrs in Maximum Security Prison and retired a Captain.
    The average american would be appalled at the rights inmates have and WHAT they are allowed to do and given on YOUR dime.
    Almost all prisons have contact visits that individuals with life sentences are included, special situations for their religious beliefs..they get the "BEST" medical care, they get PAID to work and they can spend it in the prison store...they get outside food packages and clothing....Look I could go on and on...heres a simple truth as I see it from my experience...it is NOT worse to give them life in prison under any circumstances....its much worse for the victims families and the taxpayers
    if you read my earlier posts, i advocate them in solitary confinement, no outside contact what so ever, etc. basically take away their freedom, so it is a punishment.
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    Re: The 'most prolific' serial killer in U.S. history is sentenced to death as police

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Other questions worth asking:
    1. The US is the only Western country with the death penalty. Is that why perps "off" their victims so that they can't be identified?
    2. Might it be that you have the BEST investigators but that you also have far more murderers? Why might that be?



    They do have LOTS of firearms, but they also have LOTS of control of those arms. The regulations controlling and reporting the care, storage and use of any arms in Switzerland would make Charlton Heston spin in his casket.

    IMO the question of why such-and-such a society has a high or low murder rate has little to do with gun control (although the relationship between some Americans and their firearms always strikes me as a little bit icky) and virtually nothing to do with judicial deterrence. If that were the case then the lowest homicide rates would apply to the jurisdictions with the severest penalties and there's little evidence that such a correlation exists.

    The biggest correlation is between homicide rates and rates of poverty and social inequality. This is an interesting read...
    Rev. Saúde Pública- PDF Download - Art. IDS0034-89102005000200008

    Obviously this has little to do with finding a rational social response to the punishment of serial killers as there we are dealing with irrational, psychotic and sociopathic behaviour. I believe all killing is bad. Period. It has a negative impact on the victim (obviously) the killer and society in general. Always. That doesn't mean to say that everyone who has killed another person cannot find a justification for that killing, and thus avoid social sanction. But it is still a bad thing. Always.
    The number of illegal immigrants boosts the numbers drastically....

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