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    Re: Vatican defends handling of Wisconsin priest

    fine defense the vatican has constructed for itself

    that the buggering of innocents is being unfairly maligned as pedophilia, when in fact those who were sexually abused by the church leaders were in fact adolescents

    ‘efebofilia’ – the Pope redefines pedophilia El-Andaloose
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    Re: Vatican defends handling of Wisconsin priest

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Can you provide my post where I said that the Vatican knew about this before the 1990's? I don't recall making that allegation.
    I wasn't referring to you specifically. Another poster in an earlier thread claimed exactly that. I was more referring to that than to you specifically.
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    Re: Vatican defends handling of Wisconsin priest

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    And if a reporter says so it must be true, right? Where or who do we start believing? Based on your logic, no one can be trusted.
    And every criminal defendant that proclaims innocence is innocent

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    Re: Vatican defends handling of Wisconsin priest

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    WITI-TV, MILWAUKEE - Should the Pope resign over the Vatican's handling of a Milwaukee clergy sex abuse case? A Marquette University Professor says yes.
    1. Your point?
    2. Why should the Pope resign over something that he didn't even know about when he was a cardinal?

    Ever heard of canon law? The Church has procedures to deal with things like this. Canon law trials are typically held at diocesan level, NOT at the Vatican, especially for a mere priest.
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    Re: Vatican defends handling of Wisconsin priest

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And every criminal defendant that proclaims innocence is innocent
    Presumption of innocence until PROVEN guilty?
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    Re: Vatican defends handling of Wisconsin priest

    1. Your point?
    2. Why should the Pope resign over something that he didn't even know about when he was a cardinal?

    Ever heard of canon law? The Church has procedures to deal with things like this. Canon law trials are typically held at diocesan level, NOT at the Vatican, especially for a mere priest.
    My point was the bolded part.
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    Re: Vatican defends handling of Wisconsin priest

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Presumption of innocence until PROVEN guilty?
    Okay fair enough. I do think there is reasonable doubt though as to the church's dealing with pedophile priests in the past to cast suspicion.

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    Re: Vatican defends handling of Wisconsin priest

    .... The Catholic Church sure is a weird place. All that dogma that gets pushed out directly to priests and most Catholics agree with it and know about it and support it and everybody knows what is going on. 200 kids get molested over a few years and nobody in the Vatican has ever heard of it.
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    Re: Vatican defends handling of Wisconsin priest

    Justabubba should have published the entire article as below instead of merely providing a link to it.

    In advance of the Pope’s “pastoral letter” to Irish Catholics, the Vatican has put out a propaganda statement through the broadcasting and media instruments it controls. The statement is followed by questions from Vatican functionaries.

    The statement was made by Monsignor Charles J Scicluna. Msgr. Scicluna is the Pope’s “hard man” – the “promoter of justice” of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. He is effectively the prosecutor of the tribunal of the former Holy Office, whose job it is to investigate the crimes the Catholic Church considers as being the most serious of all including crimes against the sixth Commandment (“thou shall not commit impure acts”) committed by a cleric against a person under the age of eighteen.

    Charles J. Scicluna explaining why Catholic priests rape and sexually molest minors

    Q: How many (pedophile priests) have you dealt with so far?

    A: Overall in the last nine years (2001-2010) we have considered accusations concerning around three thousand cases of diocesan and religious priests, which refer to crimes committed over the last fifty years.

    Q: That is, then, three thousand cases of paedophile priests?

    A: No, it is not correct to say that. In more or less 60 per cent of the cases, it is a question rather of acts of ‘efebofilia’, that is to say, of physical attraction for adolescents of the same sex. 30 per cent involve relations with heterosexual adolescents and the remaining 10 per cent is real pedophilia, that is to say, of a sexual attraction for prepubescent children.

    This statement is incredible. Efebofilia is a fancy word for the sexual attraction of an older man for an adolescent boy. It suggests that the Vatican condones pederasty, the sexual molestation or rape of adolescent children and that it distinguishes this from the “real” pedophilia, presumably the rape of babies. Scicluna goes on to suggest that this 10% – “real” pedophilia is lower than the incidence of sexual crime in the Protestant and Jewish faiths and in the family. He then asks why these institutions are not similarly being held to account.

    By engaging in statistical manipulation and counter accusation the Vatican is doing what every child molester in denial does – seeking to turn itself – the abuser, into the victim. No-one is fooled

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    Re: Vatican defends handling of Wisconsin priest

    While it is true to say that other Christian faiths and Jewish faith may have similarly committed Pedphilic acts against children, in all those instances the culprits were brought to justice through the criminal court system.

    They are not many instances of Catholic (priests) being arraigned before the courts of justice.

    Primarily as those that organize this religion prefer to punish such pedophiles themselves.
    The act of repentance, or the ordering to mutter some meaningless phrases a number of times is hardly justice.

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