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Chechen rebel leader claims he ordered attack on Moscow subway

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Chechen rebel leader claims he ordered attack on Moscow subway - CNN.com

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"CNN) -- Chechen rebel leader Dokku Umarov claimed that he personally gave orders to attack the Moscow subway this week, according to a Chechen rebel Web site. The attacks were revenge for what Umarov called a "massacre conducted by the Russian occupants against the poorest residents of Chechnya and Ingushetia,"

I am more than satisfied that a group finally claimed credit for the "revenge" attack against the imperilaist Russians. I had felt that is was a revenge attack but verification and acceptance for an act is the best policy.
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Russians will no longer be able to simply observe the battles in the Caucasus, Umarov said. "Therefore, the war will come to your streets, and you will feel it for yourselves and with your own lives," he said in the video.

The only way that the peoples of the Caucasus will ever get the freedom that all peoples of the world deserve is to bring the war to the Russians.

Good luck and God bless you Chechen freedom fighters!!!!
 
OxymoronP said:
Your anti russian sentiment is making you irrational. The Islamic rebels are our enemies as much as they are Russias, we must hope that Putin obliderates them ASAP.
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No my "anti russian sentiment " is deeply rooted in rational and historic foundations. My complete disgust with Russia and the Russians is not based on any ethnic hatred but is based upon yes, the rational dislike of how the imperialist Russians have behaved.

You are absolutely wrong in assuming that the Chechen fight with Russia is based on the Muslim factor. It is based on all peoples wanting to be free of imperilasm and the Chechens have the God given right to be free. The fact that the Chechens are Muslim is just an accident of history.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
No my "anti russian sentiment " is deeply rooted in rational and historic foundations. My complete disgust with Russia and the Russians is not based on any ethnic hatred but is based upon yes, the rational dislike of how the imperialist Russians have behaved.

You are absolutely wrong in assuming that the Chechen fight with Russia is based on the Muslim factor. It is based on all peoples wanting to be free of imperilasm and the Chechens have the God given right to be free. The fact that the Chechens are Muslim is just an accident of history.
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Yes it is an accident that they killed innocent children in Beslan.
 
When your enemies fight, you always come out on top. However, I'm inclined to side with Putin because terrorists fight dirty. Attacking and killing militants is a whole separate ethical plane away from sucker-punching a bunch of civilians trying to go to work.
 
OxymoronP said:
Yes it is an accident that they killed innocent children in Beslan.
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Actually the children who were killed in Beslin were killed by the action of the poorly trained and ignorantly led Russian security forces.
 
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Gipper said:
When your enemies fight, you always come out on top. However, I'm inclined to side with Putin because terrorists fight dirty. Attacking and killing militants is a whole separate ethical plane away from sucker-punching a bunch of civilians trying to go to work.
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You see the Russians have committed genocide against many of their neighbors to the tune of 35 - 50 million people killed by the Russians from the basic bullit in the head, famine, to execution by overwork in Siberia. The Chechens are not terrorists they are freedom fighters and they are fighting the real terrorists - Russians. The people who the Russians killed were civilians. Russians had killed members of my family and most of them who were killed were civilians and some were children. I cannot find any sympathy in my heart for Russians either military or civilian. The Bible says that you reap what you sow - the Russians have sowed evil, murder, and barbarism in the area and now they are getting a micro bit of what they have done to others. There is millions more in revenge deaths that the Russians deserve but unfortunately they will not get what they deserve.
 
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Russia killed 10's of thousands of innocent chechen childern which was not by accident

On the scales of injustice's


Russian ones towards the Chechens far outweigh Chechen ones towards Russians
 
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OxymoronP said:
Yes it is an accident that they killed innocent children in Beslan.
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I think you should understand that this is a lot older than Beslan. The Russians were killing Chechen children in the 1940s. Stalin deported them to far away lands and moved them around like chess pieces to cold weather and made them work in his concentration camps. The Chechens are a proud people and Russians have tried for centuries to oppress them and Russify them. Read about Operation Lentil. Russia is a incredibly racist country. Always has been.
 
Hatuey said:
I think you should understand that this is a lot older than Beslan. The Russians were killing Chechen children in the 1940s. Stalin deported them to far away lands and moved them around like chess pieces to cold weather and made them work in his concentration camps. The Chechens are a proud people and Russians have tried for centuries to oppress them and Russify them. Read about Operation Lentil. Russia is a incredibly racist country. Always has been.
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Absolutely !!! The Russians call the people of the Causasus "the 'temniy liudi ' dark people or 'the dark ones'.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
Chechen rebel leader claims he ordered attack on Moscow subway - CNN.com

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"CNN) -- Chechen rebel leader Dokku Umarov claimed that he personally gave orders to attack the Moscow subway this week, according to a Chechen rebel Web site. The attacks were revenge for what Umarov called a "massacre conducted by the Russian occupants against the poorest residents of Chechnya and Ingushetia,"

I am more than satisfied that a group finally claimed credit for the "revenge" attack against the imperilaist Russians. I had felt that is was a revenge attack but verification and acceptance for an act is the best policy.
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Russians will no longer be able to simply observe the battles in the Caucasus, Umarov said. "Therefore, the war will come to your streets, and you will feel it for yourselves and with your own lives," he said in the video.

The only way that the peoples of the Caucasus will ever get the freedom that all peoples of the world deserve is to bring the war to the Russians.

Good luck and God bless you Chechen freedom fighters!!!!
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I definitely would never own up to such a action, especially if committed against Russia. You're pretty much ensuring that they're going to roll up into your town and **** it up.
 
One of my Grandfathers was for a short time in a Gulag temporaily on the way to a Gulag in Siberia and he was in a camp with Chechens. The imperilst Russian filth treated the Chechens almost as bad as they treated Ukrainian freedom fighters.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
One of my Grandfathers was for a short time in a Gulag temporaily on the way to a Gulag in Siberia and he was in a camp with Chechens. The imperilst Russian filth treated the Chechens almost as bad as they treated Ukrainian freedom fighters.
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I have an uncle in law who worked with the Russians in Siberia. He's got horror stories about what white Russians did to not just Chechens but Kazaks, Tajiks and pretty much everybody they'd consider black. It is quite interesting considering Cubans(my wife's family is Cuban) are some of the most racially diverse people I've ever seen. I don't understand how they got along so well for so many years.
 
Ikari said:
I definitely would never own up to such a action, especially if committed against Russia. You're pretty much ensuring that they're going to roll up into your town and **** it up.
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It is true that the barbaric Russians will work at committing murder again and again against the Chechens and anyone who resists Russians imperilaism. Yet it is better to die fighting than do die cowering like a slug.
 
Ikari said:
I definitely would never own up to such a action, especially if committed against Russia. You're pretty much ensuring that they're going to roll up into your town and **** it up.
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That would most likely be the idea

The region now is far more peacefull then it was during the two Chechen wars, and Russia is putting money to rebuild the stuff it destroyed. I think many Chechens want to put the idea of separation off for at least a period of time, especially if it means an improvement in their lives in comparison to what it was 10 years ago.

But should Russia roll in and start a harsh level of oppression (more then current) their would be a good chance Chechens and Dagestani's will rise up again.
 
Hatuey said:
I have an uncle in law who worked with the Russians in Siberia. He's got horror stories about what white Russians did to not just Chechens but Kazaks, Tajiks and pretty much everybody they'd consider black. It is quite interesting considering Cubans(my wife's family is Cuban) are some of the most racially diverse people I've ever seen. I don't understand how they got along so well for so many years.
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Politika my boy Politika that is the answer !!!!
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
That would most likely be the idea

The region now is far more peacefull then it was during the two Chechen wars, and Russia is putting money to rebuild the stuff it destroyed. I think many Chechens want to put the idea of separation off for at least a period of time, especially if it means an improvement in their lives in comparison to what it was 10 years ago.

But should Russia roll in and start a harsh level of oppression (more then current) their would be a good chance Chechens and Dagestani's will rise up again.
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Could be !!! Sho bude, to bude !!!!
 
F107HyperSabr said:
Could be !!! Sho bude, to bude !!!!
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The other option is a false flag operation by Putin, which would not be the first as he is strongly suspected of having the FSB plant bombs in apartment building in Moscow in order to blame the Chechens, and use it as an excuse to gain more power as
 
OxymoronP said:
Your anti russian sentiment is making you irrational. The Islamic rebels are our enemies as much as they are Russias, we must hope that Putin obliderates them ASAP.
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This is a quote from an unknown Eastern Ukrainian about the Great Famine in the 1930's when Russians starved 10 million Ukrainians to death "In truth, they were not being punished by God for supporting the Communists; they were being punished by the Communists for being Ukrainian. . " I had extended family of my Grandparenst who died at the hands of Russians in this Russian created famine.

That is just one reason why I have no sympathy when someone takes revenge upon a Russian, any Russian.
 
By attacking innocent civilians who have nothing to do with the conflict, the terrorists have done nothing to help address some very real needs that the Chechen people have. They have shifted the focus to the atrocity they committed. They have undermined emergent prospects for a continuing relaxation of security measures and all but eliminated prospects for a near-term political framework that would accommodate both the Chechen people's need for greater autonomy and Russia's vital interests in the Caucasus/core need for preservation of Russia's territorial integrity.

Hopefully, in coming weeks and months, Russia will make progress in hunting down the terrorists and their leaders. Those responsible for deliberately attacking civilians should be brought to justice for their crimes.
 
donsutherland1 said:
By attacking innocent civilians who have nothing to do with the conflict, the terrorists have done nothing to help address some very real needs that the Chechen people have. They have shifted the focus to the atrocity they committed. They have undermined emergent prospects for a continuing relaxation of security measures and all but eliminated prospects for a near-term political framework that would accommodate both the Chechen people's need for greater autonomy and Russia's vital interests in the Caucasus/core need for preservation of Russia's territorial integrity.

Hopefully, in coming weeks and months, Russia will make progress in hunting down the terrorists and their leaders. Those responsible for deliberately attacking civilians should be brought to justice for their crimes.
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Would that include those that bombed Grozny?
 
F107HyperSabr said:
You see the Russians have committed genocide against many of their neighbors to the tune of 35 - 50 million people killed by the Russians from the basic bullit in the head, famine, to execution by overwork in Siberia.
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One should not hold today's generation of Russians guilty for the horrific and numerous crimes against humanity that took place under Soviet tyranny. The commuters on Moscow's Metro were not the perpetrators' of the Soviets' crimes.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Would that include those that bombed Grozny?
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Those responsible for war crimes, no matter which army they represent should always be held accountable for their actions. IMO, some of what took place e.g., the indiscriminate bombardment, amounted to war crimes. The principle of adhering to the Laws of War is extremely important. Once exemptions are made via rationalizations for those who violate those laws, that precedent grants license for others to do the same. In the long-run, such a development would translate into less/no protection for civilians and more lost lives than would otherwise be the case.
 
donsutherland1 said:
By attacking innocent civilians who have nothing to do with the conflict, the terrorists have done nothing to help address some very real needs that the Chechen people have. They have shifted the focus to the atrocity they committed. They have undermined emergent prospects for a continuing relaxation of security measures and all but eliminated prospects for a near-term political framework that would accommodate both the Chechen people's need for greater autonomy and Russia's vital interests in the Caucasus/core need for preservation of Russia's territorial integrity.

Hopefully, in coming weeks and months, Russia will make progress in hunting down the terrorists and their leaders. Those responsible for deliberately attacking civilians should be brought to justice for their crimes.
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Why should the Chechens settle for mere "greater autonomy" and why should Chchens care for "Russia's vital interests in the Caucasus/core need for preservation of Russia's territorial integrity. " ? Chechens like all peoples of the earth should have a right to full freedom and independence.

Chchenya is a separate country and deserves to be fully free of Russian imperialsm. No should care about "Russia's territorial integrity" because Russia is nothing but a prison of nations and a Gulag of peoples.

Russia should be disbanded as a so called "country" because it is nothing but a filthy imperialist state.
 
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