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    Re: Chechen rebel leader claims he ordered attack on Moscow subway

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    yes yes and yes !!!!! The Russians brought this upon themselves becasue they behaved like barbarians since the beginning of time. You reap what you sow !!!!!!!
    The Russian commuters were not combatants. They 'sowed' nothing. They should never have been targeted.

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    Re: Chechen rebel leader claims he ordered attack on Moscow subway

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The murdering of innocent civilians based on their nationality, or the expression of support for those murderers.
    Such thinking is shocking. It is a cold outlook that ignores individuals' humanity and treats distinctions between guilt vs. innocence and combatant vs. non-combatant as wholly irrelevant. In many ways, it echoes the various rationalizations of those responsible for some of history's worst atrocities under which people became the target of horrific violence simply because who they were. Wherever and whenever such rationalizations take hold, civilization ceases to exist.

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    Re: Chechen rebel leader claims he ordered attack on Moscow subway

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The Russian commuters were not combatants. They 'sowed' nothing. They should never have been targeted.
    No no Boychiko !!! Their government and their history sowed the seeds of terrorism and now the fruits of those seeds have matured!!
    I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us f107HyperSabr

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    Re: Chechen rebel leader claims he ordered attack on Moscow subway

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Until today I was not able to reach a decision on which act is more barbaric, monstrous and inhuman.

    The murdering of innocent civilians based on their nationality, or the expression of support for those murderers.
    Well I reached my decision at about age 7 when I heard about memebers of my extended family dieing from a Russian imposed famine and that both of my Grandfathers were went to Siberia. My extened family was murdered by Russians through famine only because they were Ukrainian and my Grandfathers were sent to Siberia becasue they were Ukrainian land/business owners and connected with a Ukrainian indpendence movement.

    Therefor my family was targeted because of their nationality by the Russians so how am I today to have sympathy for the spawn of those very "barbaric, monstrous and inhuman" Russians who hurt my family and my ancestral home.
    I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us f107HyperSabr

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    Re: Chechen rebel leader claims he ordered attack on Moscow subway

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Well I reached my decision at about age 7 when I heard about memebers of my extended family dieing from a Russian imposed famine and that both of my Grandfathers were went to Siberia. My extened family was murdered by Russians through famine only because they were Ukrainian and my Grandfathers were sent to Siberia becasue they were Ukrainian land/business owners and connected with a Ukrainian indpendence movement.

    Therefor my family was targeted because of their nationality by the Russians so how am I today to have sympathy for the spawn of those very "barbaric, monstrous and inhuman" Russians who hurt my family and my ancestral home.
    All I see is you supporting the murdering of people who have got nothing to do with you or your family's alleged suffering.

    How does that paint in your eyes?
    Is it pink, blue, or red?
    I'd figure more around the red.
    "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

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    Re: Chechen rebel leader claims he ordered attack on Moscow subway

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Your anti russian sentiment is making you irrational. The Islamic rebels are our enemies as much as they are Russias, we must hope that Putin obliderates them ASAP.
    Crimes by the Soviet Union against peoples of many nations have affected many posters of these threads.
    Russia claims that these crimes were committed by the Soviet Union and not by Russia.

    So let us take these accusations one step further, the crimes of which I speak were committed by the KGB, a now supposedly defunct organization, actually KGB had now morphed into FSB, albeit with the same people involved in both organizations. Putin & Medvedev both members of KGB.
    True we in West are fighting a Muslim organization seeking to use religion to pronounce their right to murder innocent civilians, equally true these Chechen freedom fighters may have some contact with those we fight.
    What is inescapable is that Russia encourages what we call terrorists and terrorism in Iran and also Venezuela, just in case you imagine Chavez of Venezuela is not financing terrorism, look at the financing of 'Farc' in Columbia.
    Perhaps when Russia ceases to finance those who would be our enemies we might feel something for the 'atrocities' committed on their citizens.

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    Re: Chechen rebel leader claims he ordered attack on Moscow subway

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Yes it is an accident that they killed innocent children in Beslan.
    Go back to reports regarding that incident.
    The majority of children were killed by Russians seeking to recover them from the Terrorists hands.
    In other words a botched russian attempt.

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    Re: Chechen rebel leader claims he ordered attack on Moscow subway

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I definitely would never own up to such a action, especially if committed against Russia. You're pretty much ensuring that they're going to roll up into your town and **** it up.
    Going to happen throughout Chechnya regardless of whether these folk are actually involved or not.

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    Re: Chechen rebel leader claims he ordered attack on Moscow subway

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    One should not hold today's generation of Russians guilty for the horrific and numerous crimes against humanity that took place under Soviet tyranny. The commuters on Moscow's Metro were not the perpetrators' of the Soviets' crimes.
    Agreed, however they do vote into power members of KGB who were involved in murder, rape, torture, enslavement of Chechnya people from 1990s invasion by ex Soviet troops renamed Russian troops.

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    Re: Chechen rebel leader claims he ordered attack on Moscow subway

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Well I reached my decision at about age 7 when I heard about memebers of my extended family dieing from a Russian imposed famine and that both of my Grandfathers were went to Siberia. My extened family was murdered by Russians through famine only because they were Ukrainian and my Grandfathers were sent to Siberia becasue they were Ukrainian land/business owners and connected with a Ukrainian indpendence movement.

    Therefor my family was targeted because of their nationality by the Russians so how am I today to have sympathy for the spawn of those very "barbaric, monstrous and inhuman" Russians who hurt my family and my ancestral home.
    It appears that there is an irreconcilable clash of two basic approaches:

    One approach suggests that a people is always guilty and fair game for reprisals for the acts that were conducted in its name, even if many decades or centuries ago. Under such a line of thought, the cycle of violence would never end (except with genocide).

    The other approach is far more nuanced. It rests on the idea that individuals are guilty for their actions, guilt is not collective and it is not inherited. Under such a line of thought past grievances--actual or perceived--can be put aside. Once warring peoples can reconcile and become allies.

    I subscribe to the latter line of thinking, not just because it is more hopeful. One has seen it realized i.e., the Jewish people don't hate today's Germans in response to Hitler's Holocaust, France and Britain are close friends, etc.

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