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    Bush-ordered wiretaps illegal, judge says

    (03-31) 13:42 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- The Bush administration wiretapped a U.S.-based Islamic charity under an illegal surveillance program that was not authorized by Congress or the courts, a federal judge in San Francisco ruled today.

    The ruling by Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker marked the first time that a court has found that the government illegally wiretapped an individual or organization since President George W. Bush authorized warrantless wiretapping of suspected foreign terrorists in 2001.

    The government inadvertently sent a classified document in 2004 to the Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation, reportedly showing that two of its lawyers had been wiretapped. Several months after the surveillance began, the government classified Al-Haramain as a terrorist organization, a description its leaders called false.

    This is a victory for the rule of law, but let's not celebrate yet, but hold Obama's feet to the fire too, and make damn sure this does not happen again. Without a court order, wiretapping is illegal. Period.

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    Re: Bush-ordered wiretaps illegal, judge says

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This is a victory for the rule of law, but let's not celebrate yet, but hold Obama's feet to the fire too. Without a court order, wiretapping is illegal. Period.

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    Good, glad to hear it, and am waiting to see if we will see the same with the current administration. From what I understand, the same policies are still in place now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Good, glad to hear it, and am waiting to see if we will see the same with the current administration. From what I understand, the same policies are still in place now.
    I think that's right and they shouldn't be. Presidents should follow rule of law like everyone else.

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    Re: Bush-ordered wiretaps illegal, judge says

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This is a victory for the rule of law, but let's not celebrate yet, but hold Obama's feet to the fire too, and make damn sure this does not happen again. Without a court order, wiretapping is illegal. Period.

    Article is here.

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    Hopefully they abide by this ruling.
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    Re: Bush-ordered wiretaps illegal, judge says

    I do wonder on a couple of things here

    I wonder on the proportion of people who were for such wire taps before will be against them now with a new president vs the proportion of people against such wiretaps before but are for them now

    Which side will have the greater number of people changing their mind
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    You seem to be saying that there is a significant number of people who are changing their minds between then and now and attaching it to the election of the new president.

    Is there any evidence that there has been a real shift in public sentiment? I would think not.
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    Well President Obama it is time to stop these wiretaps now. Court has made their ruling and it is time to obey.

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    Re: Bush-ordered wiretaps illegal, judge says

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Hopefully they abide by this ruling.
    Excerpted from “Bush-ordered wiretaps illegal, judge says” By Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer, The San Francisco Chronicle, Wednesday, March 31, 2010
    The Justice Department declined to say whether it would appeal today's ruling …
    I don't doubt the administration will obey the law but I do wonder whether they will appeal …
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    Re: Bush-ordered wiretaps illegal, judge says

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This is a victory for the rule of law, but let's not celebrate yet, but hold Obama's feet to the fire too, and make damn sure this does not happen again. Without a court order, wiretapping is illegal. Period.

    Article is here.

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    A San Fran Judge ruled something Bush did was illegal? Well **** color me Fred and call me shocked! This must truly be a monumental day in Jurisprudence! For all the land knows that Judges from San Francisco are the epitome of fair, balanced and stick to the Constitution.
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