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    Re: Bush-ordered wiretaps illegal, judge says

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    A San Fran Judge ruled something Bush did was illegal? Well **** color me Fred and call me shocked! This must truly be a monumental day in Jurisprudence! For all the land knows that Judges from San Francisco are the epitome of fair, balanced and stick to the Constitution.
    So am I right in assuming you're in favor of the government being able to listen to your phone calls without those pesky things like warrants, evidence, or probable cause?

    Did you also hold this view in 2007?
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    Re: Bush-ordered wiretaps illegal, judge says

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    This is a victory for the rule of law, but let's not celebrate yet, but hold Obama's feet to the fire too, and make damn sure this does not happen again. Without a court order, wiretapping is illegal. Period.

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    Re: Bush-ordered wiretaps illegal, judge says

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    Re: Bush-ordered wiretaps illegal, judge says

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This is a victory for the rule of law, but let's not celebrate yet, but hold Obama's feet to the fire too, and make damn sure this does not happen again. Without a court order, wiretapping is illegal. Period.

    Article is here.

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    Re: Bush-ordered wiretaps illegal, judge says

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I do wonder on a couple of things here

    I wonder on the proportion of people who were for such wire taps before will be against them now with a new president vs the proportion of people against such wiretaps before but are for them now

    Which side will have the greater number of people changing their mind
    It's hard to say. The American populus was pretty stunned following the 9/11 attacks, and many people were more willing to let the government do whatever they thought was necessary to beef up security. Many people didn't really understand what was in the Patriot Act and other governmental legislation for quite some time- they just wanted to feel like we were more secure (yeah, right). It took a few years for some people to catch on to what was happening, and I think this has as much to do with the current level of distrust of the current administration as Obama himself has. It's probably not just one or the other, but a growing sense of distaste at how our constitution is being stomped on little by little.
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    Re: Bush-ordered wiretaps illegal, judge says

    I am a liberal Democrat. I am entirely opposed to warrantless wiretapping, and I am exceedingly disappointed that Obams doesn't seem to think this issue is important.

    Admittedly, he would be skewered, just skewered by the Republicans if he did announce the end of the taps, and later a terrorist attack occurred. Politically, he can't gain much by stopping them. However, he should have some backbone.

    He is probably just waiting on the Courts to rule on the matter, rather than spending the political capital he would have to in order to end the practice. This is something I despise, because all branches of the gov't are supposed to uphold the Constitution. In my view, it should be one of their top priorities.

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    Re: Bush-ordered wiretaps illegal, judge says

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So am I right in assuming you're in favor of the government being able to listen to your phone calls without those pesky things like warrants, evidence, or probable cause?

    Did you also hold this view in 2007?
    Show me where they were just listening in to random people for fun vice say... suspected terrorist. Otherwise like most on this issue, you're just freakin for no reason.
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    Re: Bush-ordered wiretaps illegal, judge says

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    A San Fran Judge ruled something Bush did was illegal? Well **** color me Fred and call me shocked! This must truly be a monumental day in Jurisprudence! For all the land knows that Judges from San Francisco are the epitome of fair, balanced and stick to the Constitution.
    Typical partisan hackery. You passed right by the point and went right for anything in the story that looked too liberal for your liking.

    Do you not care that your government illegally wiretaps without anyone's permission?

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    Re: Bush-ordered wiretaps illegal, judge says

    Another nail in Bush's "Worst President in History" coffin. He'll never be brought to justice but, his reputation will always be lower than a snake's belly in a wagon wheel rut. Hint: That's really low.
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    Re: Bush-ordered wiretaps illegal, judge says

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    A San Fran Judge ruled something Bush did was illegal? Well **** color me Fred and call me shocked! This must truly be a monumental day in Jurisprudence! For all the land knows that Judges from San Francisco are the epitome of fair, balanced and stick to the Constitution.
    Making excuses are we?

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