GOP wary of health law repeal push in fall races

GOP wary of health law repeal push in fall races

WASHINGTON -- Top Republicans are increasingly worried that GOP candidates this fall might be burned by a fire that's roaring through the conservative base: demand for the repeal of President Barack Obama's new health care law.

It's fine to criticize the health law and the way Democrats pushed it through Congress without a single GOP vote, these party leaders say. But focusing on its outright repeal carries two big risks.

Repeal is politically and legally unlikely, and grass-roots activists may feel disillusioned by a failed crusade. More important, say strategists from both parties, a fiercely repeal-the-bill stance might prove far less popular in a general election than in a conservative-dominated GOP primary, especially in states such as Illinois and California.

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It looks like top republicans are having second thoughts about the attractiveness of a "repeal the healthcare law" stance. My opinion is that if they don't go through with it, it will energize the tea parties even more. What are your thoughts?

megaprogman said:

GOP wary of health law repeal push in fall races



It looks like top republicans are having second thoughts about the attractiveness of a "repeal the healthcare law" stance. My opinion is that if they don't go through with it, it will energize the tea parties even more. What are your thoughts?

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People love their welfare benefits and giveaways.
This kind of **** will end the U.S.

Goes to show that no one in office or wanting office will change the course of insanity we have been on.

I've been saying the same thing for weeks. The GOP outcry has ZERO to do with actual attempts to repeal as it has to do with political posturing and grandstanding.

disneydude said:

I've been saying the same thing for weeks. The GOP outcry has ZERO to do with actual attempts to repeal as it has to do with political posturing and grandstanding.

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Well, sort of, you're half right. The other half of Americans (more than half) actually agree with repealing the bill. But since the bill likely won't be repealed, I still think "repeal the bill" sounds better than what will happen, "Gut the bill!"

The bill must be gutted in order to make it fiscally responsible, understandable, and with no tax increases.

Maybe they've read the writing on the wall and are contemplating earning their salaries and working with the Dems on legislature. After all, working against them has earned them no points. Hmmm....

ADK_Forever said:

Maybe they've read the writing on the wall and are contemplating earning their salaries and working with the Dems on legislature. After all, working against them has earned them no points. Hmmm....

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Very unlikely. Most likely is the reality that as of right now, Republicans have had and still have no say whatseover in American politics. Democrats might not have their year-long supermajority anymore, but they still hold a majority in both the House and Senate, and then of course you have Obama too.

Politics101 said:

Very unlikely. Most likely is the reality that as of right now, Republicans have had and still have no say whatseover in American politics. Democrats might not have their year-long supermajority anymore, but they still hold a majority in both the House and Senate, and then of course you have Obama too.

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But, the truth is that Obama and the Dems did indeed try to work with the Repubs in the beginning. It was Mitch OConnell's self destructing strategy to not work with the Dems, no matter what, that forced the Dems to pass HCR the way they did. Repubs were on all the committees and many of their ideas were in the HCR. To continue in this failed direction will be to their detriment in November.

ADK_Forever said:

But, the truth is that Obama and the Dems did indeed try to work with the Repubs in the beginning. It was Mitch OConnell's self destructing strategy to not work with the Dems, no matter what, that forced the Dems to pass HCR the way they did. Repubs were on all the committees and many of their ideas were in the HCR. To continue in this failed direction will be to their detriment in November.

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You're looking at it wrong. The Democrats had a supermajority when this happened. I highly doubt they were going to compromise on anything; it was more likely a political stunt.

Polling data likely suggests that a more focused course aimed at fixing/repealing specific parts of the law and/or addressing issues that the new law did not deal with might be more prudent from an electoral standpoint.

Three highlights from a just released CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll:

From Q16: How one feels about the legislation
Approve of the legislation: 42%
Disapprove of the legislation: 56%

From Q17: What Congress should do
Leave the bill as is: 23%
Make additional changes that increase the government's role: 27%
Repeal most of the major provisions: 47%

From Q19: Impact on one/one's family
Better off: 22%
Worse off: 39%
About the same: 37%

In sum, although a small majority of American's disapproves of the legislation, the majority is not seeking repeal of most of its major provisions and only a significant minority expect to be worse off on account of that legislation's becoming law. Given those dynamics, a more focused approach may make more sense from an electoral standpoint, except in Congressional districts where the sentiment is overwhelmingly arrayed against the bill.

My guess is that if the Republicans chose to try to undertake a national electoral strategy (not a certainty) e.g., along the lines of the Contract with America in 1994, Republicans can craft a common position that seeks to repeal specific provisions in the bill and sets forth specific changes that would replace those provisions. However, a position aimed at the law's full repeal is not likely to be endorsed by all Republican candidates if the data in the CNN poll reasonably represents public opinion (and it seems within the ballpark of some other health reform-related surveys). The electoral calculus differs from one Congressional District to another. Victory in many and, possibly most Districts depends on who best retains one's own base and who wins the majority of Independent voters.

If it is not repealed the Nation will go down with a whimper because of the Socialist/Marxist agenda that is set to destroy the economy right after Der Fuhrer in Chief forces his Cap and Trade nonsense through with the help of the brain dead Liberals.

In the words of Sir Winston Churchill: Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.

There has never been in history a Socialist/Marxist government that survived the test of time and many ended in violence and the deaths of untold numbers of innocents many were exceedingly stupid and thought they were doing the right thing.

With any luck Nov. elections, will at the very least put an end to Obama's agenda of deception and destruction before it's too late.

their own insider, frum, told them this

at the time, pissed off because they did not like his message, they shot the messenger ... or more accurately, fired him from his position at that oxymoronically described conservative think tank

the ONLY chance the republicans have of a decent election outcome is if Obama is unable to turn dubya's recession around.

"it's the economy, stupid!"

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Regardless of whether or not it was a Political stunt.

What was ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL was that some form of Healthcare Reform needed to be passed and adopted.

The GOP knew this as much as did the Democrats, and yet for 6 years while they (GOP) held a majority in Congress, they muttered vaguely about doing something, basically they did diddly squat.
Regrettably this type of non action is typical of the GOP who seem to prefer the status quo rather than attempt to fix a system that was broke.

Now the GOP are in a cleft stick situation, they privately support many of the provisions in this Bill, but do not have the courage to say so.
They bleat on about 'Repeal' as though this mantra will gain them votes in November, it will not.
If they are to have any chance of taking either House or Senate they need to have a mandate of Fiscal rectitude.
Not necessarily Tax rises but instead how would they fix this bill such that it will not continue to increase the USA deficit.
How to give these uninsured people coverage for healthcare.
It should be obvious to everyone that the USA is and has been for many years a Socialist state, true up till now we have also believed in Free Enterprise (apparently with Obama & his merry band this perception is to be changed) which is slightly unfortunate as all these goodies these Communists want to bestow upon the USA have at some time to be paid for.
Printing money is not the answer although Obama seems to believe it may be, presumably because he can then blame the resulting INFLATION on the next administration.

here's a happy headline:

IRS needs additional TEN BILLION dollars to make all those pretty provisions of health care a REALITY

CNSNews.com - IRS Needs $10 Billion to Be Nation's Health Enforcer

LOL!

gosh, i wonder why...

HALF A TRILLION dollar CUTS to medicare, all while simultaneously expanding the already overstrained entitlement

McCain Loses Bid to Drop Health Bill?s Medicare Cuts (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

trustees report medicare will pay out more than she takes in starting in 2017

Report Warns of Insolvency for Social Security, Medicare - washingtonpost.com

and that's BEFORE obamacare EXPANDED its enrollees by MILLIONS while simultaneously CUTTING its funding by HALF A T

YOU CANNOT EXPAND MEDICARE AND MEDICAID BY 12 MILLION NEW MEMBERS WHILE CUTTING THEIR FUNDING BY HALF A T

hello

medicare already faces FORTY SEVEN TRILLION dollars of unfunded liability...

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/tst20050519.pdf

obamacare greatly EXACERBATES this already insuperable problem

Easy.

You repeal the entire bill in conjunction with passing a similar bill with the reform components that the American people want. This after de-funding the bill until Obama can be removed.

If the Republicans don't run on this, they'll get no support from anyone.

obamacare "pays" its ways by placing TWO HUNDRED BILLION dollars of the TAB on already broken-backed states, what tennessee governor phil bredesen (dem) calls, "the mother of unfunded mandates"

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

almost every governor in the nation is on board with mr bredesen

namely, bill richardson, ms gregoire, mr ritter (former colorado superstar who last year announced his retirement), mr schweitzer...

obamacare critics OWN the LINKS!

obamacare apologists need to WORRY about this demonstrable deficit

i have ONE HUNDRED more, wanna see em?

LOL!

the point---YOU ALL KNEW that all this CRAP was part of this PIG

YOU are RESPONSIBLE

live it, love it, EMBRACE obamacare

it's YOURS!

The Prof said:

obamacare critics OWN the LINKS!

obamacare apologists need to WORRY about this demonstrable deficit

i have ONE HUNDRED more, wanna see em?

LOL!

the point---YOU ALL KNEW that all this CRAP was part of this PIG

YOU are RESPONSIBLE

live it, love it, EMBRACE obamacare

it's YOURS!

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I do believe they voted for CHANGE, which is always an extremely dangerous thing to vote for.
OK, so you were misled by a conniving ex lawyer, so it is still your own fault because Lawyers are the most distrusted people in the world.

jujuman13 said:

I do believe they voted for CHANGE, which is always an extremely dangerous thing to vote for.
OK, so you were misled by a conniving ex lawyer, so it is still your own fault because Lawyers are the most distrusted people in the world.

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I know. Isn't it ironic that most or all Democrat politicians are lawyers?

megaprogman said:

GOP wary of health law repeal push in fall races



It looks like top republicans are having second thoughts about the attractiveness of a "repeal the healthcare law" stance. My opinion is that if they don't go through with it, it will energize the tea parties even more. What are your thoughts?

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My thought is this:

As a registered republican, if they ever want my vote in another election again, they will repeal it. If not, as far as I am concerned, let the GOP and the nation fall apart through liberalism. Because that is our future if they don't.

Either pony up and take an issue head on or I am done voting altogether. I will plant my gardens, invest in gold, work and basically become neutral to the USA.

in florida bill mccollom is a top republican

the current ag of the sunshine state, longtime former congressman, the kind of guy who used to be on tv a lot, oldtimers will remember mccollom pretty well...

he's running for gov of everglade land

as ag in tallahassee mccollom has taken the lead for all of the 12 to 30 state govt's who have initiated legal steps to stop this genuinely unconstitutional mandate upon innocent, once free americans to buy some ungodly expensive service of completely unguaranteed quality against their wishes...

mccollom is the point guy for the mostly republican coast to coast CHALLENGE along this line...

in IDAHO a bill protecting spudlings from federal harrassment for refusing to conform has passed whatever state legislature exists in boise and has been signed into law by the governor, whoever he is...

which, of course, amounts to a medium measure of yada yada

in virginia's general assembly, oldest parliamentary body in the western hemisphere, a similar piece was passed and superstar BOB MCDONNELL, winner of the governorship of the MOST BELLWETHER STATE IN THE NATION in 08 by a MASSIVE margin of EIGHTEEN POINTS, will certainly sign it as well into state law

but all that's not the point, that's just intro

cuz the point is: bill mccollom is national POINT MAN on the most noteworthy of the SEVERAL legal challenges to the pig

and since he FILED his papers, his position in the POLLS has GROWN to an impressive PLUS FIFTEEN!

he used to up by about ten

his law suit, in addition, is FAVORED in florida sun by 51 to 39

INCLUDING TWENTY FOUR PERCENT OF GATOR STATE DEMS who also APPROVE mccollum's briefs

ms sink, meanwhile, his opponent, "avoids a hi profile stance on health care..."

LOL!

can't you see what all this stuff means?

Poll: Bill McCollum widens lead on Alex Sink in governor's race - Florida - MiamiHerald.com

RealClearPolitics - Election 2010 - Florida Governor - McCollum vs. Sink

JURIST - Paper Chase: State attorneys general to challenge health care reform legislation