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Sarkozy's chilly visit to America

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Sarkozy's chilly visit to America

France may be America's oldest ally, but the presidents of the two countries are not exactly the best of buddies.

When President Obama visited Paris in June, he declined a dinner invitation from French President Nicolas Sarkozy, even though he had no evening plans and was staying just a few doors down from the Elysee Palace.

The brushoff followed a more substantive snubbing, when the French president turned down a U.S. request to put more troops into Afghanistan. Mr. Obama responded by sending a letter to former French President Jacques Chirac expressing his desire to "work together … to build a safer world."

The petite but fiery Sarko was reportedly livid.

So when he arrived in the U.S. on Monday, Mr. Sarkozy went not to Washington but to New York, where he delivered a speech at Columbia University.

There, he mocked Mr. Obama's recent health care reform victory, saying "if you want me to be really honest, when we see the U.S. debate on the health care reform from Europe, it's difficult to believe. … Excuse me, but we've solved this problem more than 50 years ago."

With the supreme dismissiveness only a Frenchman can pull off, he added: "Welcome to the club of states who don't turn their back on the sick and the poor. … If you come to France and something happens to you, you won't be asked for your credit card before you're rushed to the hospital."

When Mr. Sarkozy finally came to Washington, he stopped first at the Capitol, where he met with 2004 failed presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry. There, he pledged to help enact global taxes on countries that resist steps to fight climate change.

Left to his own devices for lunch, Mr. Sarkozy and his wife, former model Carla Bruni, stopped by Ben's Chili Bowl, accompanied by his two sons from a previous marriage. The French leader scarfed down a chili burger, while his wife gobbled a hot dog with mustard and pickles. The couple, clearly famished, also shared one of Ben's famous half-smokes.

With lunch finished, it was finally time to go to the White House to meet with the U.S. president. After a private meeting in the Oval Office, the two repaired to the East Room for a joint news conference, where it was all happiness and light.

Mr. Obama welcomed "my dear friend" and proceeded to call the French president by his first name eight times. "The fact that Nicolas went to Ben's Chili Bowl for lunch, I think, shows his discriminating palate," he said to laughter from Mr. Sarkozy. Mr. Obama, reading from notes, praised his counterpart for his "legendary energy" before ticking off a series of issues on which the two agree.

The French president, for his part, was defensive from the outset. With his poll ratings at home at record lows of about 30 percent, Mr. Sarkozy went out of his way to dismiss reports that he and Mr. Obama are on the outs — going so far as to speak for European leaders.

CURL: Sarkozy's chilly visit to America - Washington Times

See also:

L'Americain in Washington - Sarkozy Searches for Friendship with Obama that Has Eluded Him


This is very disturbing. Obama came with the promise of working together with friends and allies and one after the other all European leaders are losing faith in the new administration. Poland and the Czech Republic were outraged at Obama's going back on US promises of basing missile defense batteries in their countries. Germany's Merkel has voiced her displeasure with some of Obama's moves. And now even Sarkozi, perhaps Obama's biggest supporter a year ago, seems vexed by Obama's statements and some of his actions. With all of the world's problems America should be working more closely with its closest allies, not alienating them. I am very confused by all this. :confused:
 
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From the second article:

L'Americain in Washington

Sarkozy Searches for Friendship with Obama that Has Eluded Him

With his power wobbling at home, the timing of Nicolas Sarkozy's visit to Washington couldn't be better. The French president's meeting with Barack Obama will provide exactly the images he needs in France. But in truth, his relationship with the US president is a tense one.

'The Hoped-for Partnership Never Materialized'

But Obama hasn't seemed to take Sarkozy seriously. When he has, he has often reacted with irritation towards the French president's brisk leadership style. When the US president traveled to Paris last year, he preferred to dine with his wife Michelle rather than Sarkozy. "The hoped-for partnership never materialized," the French daily Le Figaro wrote.

Sarkozy hasn't forgiven his American colleague for it, either. He has complained to those close to him that Obama is ill-prepared to govern, noting that he didn't even hold a cabinet-level position before taking office. And he has responded in public to Obama's vision of a nuclear weapons-free world with little more than a polite smile. During his recent speech before the United Nations, Sarkozy reminded the Americans that we live in a real world, not a virtual one.


L'Americain in Washington - Sarkozy Searches for Friendship with Obama that Has Eluded Him
 
Sarkozy's party has recently lost big time in our regional elections. He is looking forward to saving face. One of the best ways to do it, is to play buddy with the most powerful man in the world, as noted in your first article. He also has a huge ego proportionally inverse to its height. On the other hand, Obama is very well appreciated here in France. I think Sarkozy would better surrender;)
 
Well if there's one country that Obama has alienated it's Britain. Soon after Obama was elected, One of the first things he did was taking down all the Winston Churchill pictures.
 
It seems to me that Obama mostly kisses up to those who are would-be enemies, and snubs friends.
 
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It seems to me that Obama mostly kisses up to those who are would-be enemies, and snubs friends.

Yea, because our relationship was so much better when Dubya was in power:doh

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America has no friends.
 
America isn't the EU's friend, when you think about it.

We're your friends though. :)
 
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Sarkozy's party has recently lost big time in our regional elections. He is looking forward to saving face. One of the best ways to do it, is to play buddy with the most powerful man in the world, as noted in your first article. He also has a huge ego proportionally inverse to its height. On the other hand, Obama is very well appreciated here in France. I think Sarkozy would better surrender;)

the above post is reality. the OP's article is a reach to paint Obama in a negative light

given his weakened political standing at home, sarkozy NEEDS to be seen as Obama's buddy. he so wants some of that cache to rub off
the french are much too clever to fall for it (... please don't make me eat those words come election time)
 
Besides Sarkozy wouldn't understand why a man would want to have dinner in the most romantic city in the world....with the woman he married.:mrgreen:
 
the above post is reality. the OP's article is a reach to paint Obama in a negative light

given his weakened political standing at home, sarkozy NEEDS to be seen as Obama's buddy. he so wants some of that cache to rub off
the french are much too clever to fall for it (... please don't make me eat those words come election time)



I don't see how anyone could argue that it's a stretch to say that Obama has alienated some of America's closest allies. Considering that he's managed to offend Britain, France, Germany, Poland, the Czech Republic, Israel, and even Japan. All in one year, and the list goes on. So who's reaching?

Japan Cools to America as It Prepares for Obama Visit

Within weeks, those fears started to play out. The new Japanese government said the country would withdraw from an eight-year-old mission in the Indian Ocean to refuel warships supporting American efforts in Afghanistan.

The government also announced that it planned to revisit a 2006 agreement to relocate a Marine airfield on Okinawa to a less populated part of the island, and to move thousands of Marines from Okinawa to Guam.

And Japanese government officials have suddenly lost their shyness about publicly sparring with American officials, as evident in a dispute in September between Japan’s ambassador to the United States, Ichiro Fujisaki, and the Pentagon.

Japan Cools to America as It Prepares for Obama Visit


Europe wakes from its Obama dream

Many Europeans cheered when Barack Obama was elected president. Disdain for his predecessor ran so high that, even in Britain, pollsters found that George W. Bush was considered a greater threat to peace than Kim Jong-il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Only Osama bin Laden outpolled him.

But President Obama hasn't lived up to European expectations. The disillusionment is showing. French President Nicolas Sarkozy has characterized him as weak. And at a U.N. Security Council meeting on nonproliferation, Mr. Sarkozy chided Mr. Obama with the reminder that "We live in a real world, not a virtual world."

Many Europeans, of course, still cling to the notion that Mr. Obama is "one of us." And certainly no American president has been friendlier to the political values of Europe.

But to Europe's dismay, Mr. Obama can't find the time to attend this year's annual U.S.-European Union Summit - something Mr. Bush always managed to do. Mr. Obama's decision to skip the summit offended Europeans, who saw it as a deliberate snub of the European Union - their favorite project to centralize government and internationalize the governance of human affairs great and small. Given Mr. Obama's embrace of such ideas domestically, Europeans were understandably puzzled that he would not rush to link arms with them in the summit.

Further souring relations was Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates' blast at much of Europe for dithering on defense. At last month's meeting of NATO officials, Mr. Gates said the "pacification of Europe" (meaning Europe's turning away from war and defense spending as necessary policies to keep the peace) was making it difficult for the allies to "operate and fight together."

"The demilitarization of Europe," he argued, "where large swaths of the general public and political class are averse to military force and the risks that go with it, has gone from a blessing in the 20th century to an impediment to achieving real security and lasting peace in the 21st."

Mr. Gates is absolutely right, but put that aside for a moment. The in-your-face nature of his words is striking. No Bush administration official - not even Donald Rumsfeld - ever publicly criticized Europe's lack of military spending and support for NATO so bluntly. Europeans hammered Mr. Rumsfeld merely for suggesting there was a "new" and "old" Europe. Now we have a secretary of defense arguing that European fecklessness threatens world peace.

It is one thing to start a quarrel with France or even the EU, but Mr. Obama has managed even to offend the British. Many commentators in the UK now accuse Mr. Obama of harboring anti-British sentiments. The State Department's recent announcement that we would remain neutral in the Falklands Islands dispute between the UK and Argentina has only fueled that perception.

Daniel Hannan, a British member of the European Parliament and former fan of Mr. Obama's, put it this way in the London Telegraph: "Look, Mr. President, I was one of the few conservatives who truly wanted you to succeed. I didn't mind the way you snubbed our PM: I mean, most of us feel the same way about him. I didn't mind about the mildly anti-British passages in your book, or the boxed set of DVDs or the returning of the bust of [Winston] Churchill. But this is different. This is serious. How would you feel if, the next time you found yourself at war with some tyrant, we were simply to issue a terse statement saying 'our position remains one of neutrality'?"

Mr. Hannan's growing concern over Mr. Obama's policies is shared by many on the opposite side of the European political spectrum. With regard to the Obama presidency, illusions are shattering across Europe. There, as here, the left's exaggerated hatred of Mr. Bush was matched only by their naive embrace of Mr. Obama. They now increasingly realize that although Mr. Obama may admire Europe's domestic polices on health care and energy, he has little practical use for the European Union's pretensions to world influence and leadership.

But he does seem willing to give them precisely what they've requested for years: A diminished U.S. role in the world. Mr. Obama is pulling back on the projection of American power. Leaving the Europeans to their own devices (and ignoring their summits) is merely part of that program.

Their confusion is understandable. They expected that waning American power would mean less criticism from Washington and more European influence over U.S. policy. It didn't work out that way. Instead, administration officials are blasting European security policies in language that would make even Mr. Rumsfeld blush. On top of that, Mr. Obama was not even able to save Europe's favorite international agenda item - the climate change treaty in Copenhagen.

Europe may never get over its disdain for Mr. Bush. But they may someday come to realize that things were not as bad under Mr. Bush as they thought. At least he showed up to their meetings.

HOLMES: Europe wakes from its Obama dream - Washington Times

And:

The Trans-Atlantic Frenemies


By Gregor Peter Schmitz and Gabor Steingart in Washington

Barack Obama is only passing through Germany on his trip to Europe later this week and does not plan to hold substantial talks with Angela Merkel. The White House views the chancellor as difficult and Germany is increasingly being left out of the loop.


The most meaningful gifts given between world leaders aren't bouquets or porcelain tea services, but rather the flattery they extend to each other. And the American president has showered the German chancellor with a number of highly valued niceties.

Indeed, when the president described her approach to political problems as being not only "smart," but also "one of a kind," the chancellor beamed like it was Christmas morning.

There's just one problem with the flattery: The man doing the talking was George W. Bush. But these days, in the Washington of Barack Obama, an entirely different tone is adopted when talking about German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

They consider the German chancellor to be difficult in her personal manner. Her policies they see as hesitant. And when it comes to economic matters -- particularly after the experience in battling the financial crisis -- they don't feel she has much expertise.

Rude and Impolitic

The label "difficult" is attributable to Merkel's refusal to allow then-presidential candidate Obama to hold a speech at the Brandenburg Gate last summer. They also found it rude and impolitic when she didn't accept an invitation to meet with the newly elected president at the White House in April, despite that fact that both sides had been able to find time in their schedules for a meeting.


The Trans-Atlantic Frenemies


WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama sits down this week with German Chancellor Angela Merkel under a cloud of disagreement over the way out of the global financial crisis and Germany's role in the U.S.-led Afghan war.

AP: Obama, Merkel Set To Meet "Under Cloud Of Disagreement"
 
Funny that. The only people who think he offended the above list are Americans.....:confused:
 
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Well I think UK has fell out of love with Obama.

UK special relationship with US is over, say MPs | Politics | guardian.co.uk

MPs are advising to now avoid using 'special relationship' in regards to US.

I am finding this hilarious watching Obama stumble around seemingly annoying many allies and trying to make friends with enemies.

It's sad that's what it is. :(

I hope Obama will learn from his mistakes and maybe replace some of his advisors. Although the feeling of disappointment is perhaps natural since expectations for this president were so high, but still he has offended many friendly countries and he will need their help in the coming years to solve some of the world's urgent problems.
 
Well if there's one country that Obama has alienated it's Britain. Soon after Obama was elected, One of the first things he did was taking down all the Winston Churchill pictures.

This is not altogether surprising. Obama's Kenyan connections would probably dictate that he does not see Churchill with the same rosy hue of nostalgia that previous residents of the White House would have done. Churchill was British PM at the beginning of the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya where the British killed around 20,000 people protesting and rebelling in order to win their independence from the Empire. Perhaps members of Obama's own family lost their lives as a result of Churchill's imperialism.
 
the above post is reality. the OP's article is a reach to paint Obama in a negative light

given his weakened political standing at home, sarkozy NEEDS to be seen as Obama's buddy. he so wants some of that cache to rub off
the french are much too clever to fall for it (... please don't make me eat those words come election time)

Interesting thread given that last year Sarkozy was applauded for "not drinking the kool aid" after Obama's trip to Europe.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...colas-sarkozy-puts-barack-obama-doghouse.html


So which is it?

And why don't Republicans remember "freedom fries" and O'Reilly's call to boycott anything French? Or all the snarky comments about John Kerry "looking French"?

Globalist - The Republicans' barb - John Kerry 'looks French' - NYTimes.com

But perhaps the surest indication that the looming political season will be ugly has come from repeated Republican suggestions that Kerry "looks French."

Not only that: the senator is said to betray a dubious fondness for things French, even the language. A recent comment from Commerce Secretary Don Evans that the Massachusetts Democrat is "of a different political stripe and looks French" was only the latest of several jibes, mainly from conservative talk-show hosts and columnists, that have included allusions to "Monsieur Kerry" and "Jean Chéri."​

For some months now, the Republican House majority leader, Tom DeLay, has been opening speeches to supporters with an occasional routine. He says hi, then adds: "Or, as John Kerry might say, 'Bonjour.'"

The remark "always brings the house down," said DeLay's spokesman, Stuart Roy, who added that its purpose was to highlight "Mr. Kerry's lack of support for the war on terror and the way he seems to be in agreement with the arguments of the French."​
 
Americans have different interests from the French. The United States has its own vision, just as France does. The United States also has a different outlook in comparison with a growing number of Europeans.

Geopolitical realities are finally coming to light to some Americans who somehow believed Obama would magically create an international playground where at night all would gather and sing kumbaya.
 
This is not altogether surprising. Obama's Kenyan connections would probably dictate that he does not see Churchill with the same rosy hue of nostalgia that previous residents of the White House would have done. Churchill was British PM at the beginning of the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya where the British killed around 20,000 people protesting and rebelling in order to win their independence from the Empire. Perhaps members of Obama's own family lost their lives as a result of Churchill's imperialism.

Well you make a very good point, But if Obama wants to be viewed as a leader of the west then he needs to start acting like it. Everybody has that sad story. I'm part Native American and i don't harbor ill feelings towards Europeans.

Obama needs to man up and stop actin like a little *****.:thumbs:
 
quote(This is very disturbing. Obama came with the promise of working together with friends and allies and one after the other all European leaders are losing faith in the new administration. Poland and the Czech Republic were outraged at Obama's going back on US promises of basing missile defense batteries in their countries. Germany's Merkel has voiced her displeasure with some of Obama's moves. And now even Sarkozi, perhaps Obama's biggest supporter a year ago, seems vexed by Obama's statements and some of his actions. With all of the world's problems America should be working more closely with its closest allies, not alienating them. I am very confused by all this.)

Obama is acting exactly as any other lieing Communist believer would act, he plays off one side against another side.

Result is that because he has told so many lies to so many people over course of his career he is unable to remember what he says to everyone.

So he FLIP FLOPS.
 
Geopolitical realities are finally coming to light to some Americans who somehow believed Obama would magically create an international playground where at night all would gather and sing kumbaya.

That's good.:mrgreen:
 
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