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Obama to Unveil Offshore Oil Drilling Plans

lizzie said:
It looks to me like political deal-making in order to get some of the Republicans on board with Cap and Trade.
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Either that or it's the classic "middle ground" approach that Pres. Obama always seems to make. This is the biggest issue I have with him is that it seems as if he doesn't have any values on anything.
 
Progressive86 said:
Either that or it's the classic "middle ground" approach that Pres. Obama always seems to make. This is the biggest issue I have with him is that it seems as if he doesn't have any values on anything.
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Obama has ALWAYS been middle ground. That is what us Liberals have always had issue with him. But we knew that coming into the election.
Despite the right-wings efforts to try to paint him as a "liberal", the reality is, Obama has always been a left-leaning moderate. His entire record is moderate. This issue, while I disagree with Obama on it, was part of his campaign...so anyone who is surprised by this or trying to convey ulterior motives is just not paying attention.
 
disneydude said:
Obama has ALWAYS been middle ground. That is what us Liberals have always had issue with him. But we knew that coming into the election.
Despite the right-wings efforts to try to paint him as a "liberal", the reality is, Obama has always been a left-leaning moderate. His entire record is moderate. This issue, while I disagree with Obama on it, was part of his campaign...so anyone who is surprised by this or trying to convey ulterior motives is just not paying attention.
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Have you seen his voting record? Did you see what was just passed in that health care bill? Yikes. Id say Obama's a bit more of a leftist than you're willing to admit. Just a wee-bit.
 
rhinefire said:
Close Gitmo-no
Get out of Afganhistan-no
Get out of Iraq-no
Lower unemployment-no
Turn Wall Street in to Main Street-no
Lie to get elected-yep!:shock::shock::shock:
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and thats just the short list
 
Look, this works for me. I won't vote for Obama, but as to compromising a little bit, it was good enough for Ronald Reagan, and look what it accomplished for us when he was president. A little reaching across the aisle never hurt either party.
 
Redress said:
By the way, have you ever heard the word "paranoia"?
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Yes Paranoia is a word used to explain why just about all the liberals fear a little woman from Alaska.

Asking questions of someone with a bad track record is not paranoia.

Questioning Obama's motives because of his past actions is not paranoia.

Why is Obama suddenly talking like he cares about something again when most of his action up until point the other way?


Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.
 
Politics101 said:
Have you seen his voting record? Did you see what was just passed in that health care bill? Yikes. Id say Obama's a bit more of a leftist than you're willing to admit. Just a wee-bit.
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Yes. Look at his voting record in Congress and his Illinois state record. Obama is anything but a hardline liberal. I wish he were....but realistically, in todays political climate there is little chance a true liberal could be elected.
 
So President Obama reaching across the aisle is a bad thing now? I don't think it is a bad idea to give the Republicans something they wanted. It may not be exactly what they wanted, but at least President Obama is trying to compromise with him. Maybe on the next major bill that comes up the Republicans will be a bit more willing to compromise with the Democrats.
 
soccerboy22 said:
So President Obama reaching across the aisle is a bad thing now?
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When is that going to happen?

I read it this AM, but all I see is partisan politics.. He is NOT doing what is necessary for America, only his hyper-partisan agenda... I wouldn't even go so far as to say this would be considered throwing a bone.. more like political cover.

If a Republican falls for this, they're even dumber than I give them credit for!
 
soccerboy22 said:
Maybe on the next major bill that comes up the Republicans will be a bit more willing to compromise with the Democrats.
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if it's a good bill, you betcha

if it's cap and trade, forgetaboutit
 
disneydude said:
Obama has ALWAYS been middle ground. That is what us Liberals have always had issue with him. But we knew that coming into the election.
Despite the right-wings efforts to try to paint him as a "liberal", the reality is, Obama has always been a left-leaning moderate. His entire record is moderate. This issue, while I disagree with Obama on it, was part of his campaign...so anyone who is surprised by this or trying to convey ulterior motives is just not paying attention.
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There's a difference between being middle ground and just flip flopping on the issue. Here's where I think he's made yet another compromise to keep the Republicans pleased. During his campaign he said that offshore drilling wasn't going to solve this problem and that he wanted to invest in renewable energy and things of that nature. I know he's very much in the center so you don't have to explain that to me, I'm just stating that he's not sticking to his ideas and how he said he wanted to address this issue.
 
Rachel said:
Politicians should start working together to solve problems instead of fighting and bickering all the time.
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If they were actually trying to solve problems, rather than spending us into oblivion, I might agree with you. In this day and time, gridlock is a good thing. We can't afford our government any more.
 
Progressive86 said:
Either that or it's the classic "middle ground" approach that Pres. Obama always seems to make. This is the biggest issue I have with him is that it seems as if he doesn't have any values on anything.
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He has values, he just doesn't show them honestly.
 
disneydude said:
Despite the right-wings efforts to try to paint him as a "liberal", the reality is, Obama has always been a left-leaning moderate.
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What do you find moderate about taking over health care, taking over control of US corporations, unbelievable stimulus spending, and Cap and Trade?
 
When people argue that The Obama is a moderate/centrist/not liberal enough, it clearly illustrates just how far on out the lunatic fringe left those people really are.
:shock:
 
Goobieman said:
When people argue that The Obama is a moderate/centrist/not liberal enough, it clearly illustrates just how far on out the lunatic fringe left those people really are.
:shock:
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It's scary, isn't it? These people actually live in America but dislike the freedom it gives them, so they want to tax it, take it over, and let the big government make our decisions for us. I blame the education system for failure of educating American's on the values and history of this once great nation.
 
Politics101 said:
What is a "true" liberal, then?

Mr. Obama has a long personal history with the Democratic Socialists Of America, stretching back more than a decade.
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Once again...another "link" from you that doesn't come close to saying what it is that you claim. In fact...if you read your own link, it says that "understanding the limits of an Obama presidency....these are the things we hope might be accomplished.

You have obviously bought into the right-wing radio hype that Obama is a "liberal"...Obama is a "socialist" that you have lost all sight of reality. :doh
 
lizzie said:
What do you find moderate about taking over health care, taking over control of US corporations, unbelievable stimulus spending, and Cap and Trade?
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First of all there is no "take over" of health care or "take over" of US Corporations...:cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo:

As far as the "stimulus" spending. There is nothing classically "liberal" about that.

Cap and Trade is the only thing on your list that even comes close to a true liberal idea.

Nice try though.
 
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