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    Re: Arizona Rancher's Killing Sparks Calls to Beef Up Border Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Hey these Mexicans are just honest people who want to come here to work.

    And those are the words of G.W. Bush, who also wanted Amnesty. Bush wanted it to appease a sister in law.

    Obama and the Liberals want Amnesty and open Borders for new voters. But then with ACORN they have been registering illegal aliens to vote for a while already.

    Napolitano is and has been soft on all border issues for years and has no desire to enforce the laws, nor does Obama.

    The Minute men were lied about and harassed to the point they gave up. I guess until enough liberals are kidnapped or killed and beheaded by insurgent drug cartel members nothing is likely to be done either about the encroachment or the violence spilling into our Nation from what is quickly becoming a totally lawless Mexico.
    I don't think I have ever seen a more dishonest analysis of the immigration issue than yours.

    Also, there are probably people in your demographic that have murdered other people, should we paint that person's actions onto you Mr. Murderer?

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    Re: Arizona Rancher's Killing Sparks Calls to Beef Up Border Security

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    First of all. So is it only the people on the "right" asking for more security? I don't think so.
    Nope but they are the ones using this subject as a main (or attempting to at least) portion of their policy.

    Ok, maybe the news jumped the gun on "illegal", but someone went across the border without permission since they crossed at a non legal entry point. Makes it illegal.
    Where does it state that? In fact where does it state anything on the case it self.. the best you can find is "they think" or "it might be".. this is pure fearmongering.. pure and simple.

    There are many of us who have been calling for better border security for years. Taking your statements and lets drop the killing of the rancher. Do you think it is ok to come into the US illegally?
    That is fine, but there is no evidence what so ever that any illegals or anyone crossing the border either way, had anything to do with this. But that does not stop the "usual suspects" on these boards and in the general right wing political sphere, to jump on the story as some sort of bannerwagon for "fortress USA".

    For all we know and the police in the area know, this farmer could have been killed by his wife, a minuteman, martians, cubans, or the taliban.

    As I stated, the local police should have the case removed from their jurisdiction as they clearly are highly biased by stating off the bat that it had something to do with illegals without having any evidence of it.
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    Re: Arizona Rancher's Killing Sparks Calls to Beef Up Border Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Hey these Mexicans are just honest people who want to come here to work.
    The majority of them are. You can't blame a few bad seeds and then label all Mexicans' as murderous thugs amd cheats.

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    Re: Arizona Rancher's Killing Sparks Calls to Beef Up Border Security

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    As I stated, the local police should have the case removed from their jurisdiction as they clearly are highly biased by stating off the bat that it had something to do with illegals without having any evidence of it.
    For all we know the police could have been behind the killings, and they know they can use the border as a reason for the killings. There are a lot of crooked cops especially those who are close to the border. Lots of money to be made.

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    Re: Arizona Rancher's Killing Sparks Calls to Beef Up Border Security

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Nope but they are the ones using this subject as a main (or attempting to at least) portion of their policy.



    Where does it state that? In fact where does it state anything on the case it self.. the best you can find is "they think" or "it might be".. this is pure fearmongering.. pure and simple.



    That is fine, but there is no evidence what so ever that any illegals or anyone crossing the border either way, had anything to do with this. But that does not stop the "usual suspects" on these boards and in the general right wing political sphere, to jump on the story as some sort of bannerwagon for "fortress USA".

    For all we know and the police in the area know, this farmer could have been killed by his wife, a minuteman, martians, cubans, or the taliban.

    As I stated, the local police should have the case removed from their jurisdiction as they clearly are highly biased by stating off the bat that it had something to do with illegals without having any evidence of it.
    Did you read the news article from post #10?
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    Re: Arizona Rancher's Killing Sparks Calls to Beef Up Border Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    For all we know the police could have been behind the killings, and they know they can use the border as a reason for the killings. There are a lot of crooked cops especially those who are close to the border. Lots of money to be made.
    How much do you know of the ranching community in souther Arizona? Your statement might as well said GWB did it? Radio contact with his brother prior to the murder stated he made contact with an "illegal". Could it have been a legal resident of the US, possible. I doubt the rancher who has had many contacts on his ranch would have mistaken the person for a cop or BP. Read the article from post 10. It outlines the more likely senerious.
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    Re: Arizona Rancher's Killing Sparks Calls to Beef Up Border Security

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Ok, the killer may have been already in the US. The person was tracked to the border and crossed into Mexico. I'll grant you the news didn't state the tracks came into the US and back to Mexico. If in fact it turns out it was a US citizen that did the killing, it does not deflect from the need to control our borders and stop the influx of illegals and drug runners. If the person was a US citizen, that person entered Mexico illegally.

    The flow of illegals and drug runners is well documented in that part of Arizona. It is a problem that the locals have had for a long time. I also agree we need to crack down on those that hire illegals.

    FOXNews.com - Illegal Immigrant Suspected in Murder of Arizona Rancher

    "Krentz radioed his brother Phil between 10:00 and 10:30 a.m. Saturday morning that he had encountered an illegal immigrant, and was supposed to meet Phil on the ranch at noon, according to sheriff's deputies. When Krentz didn't show up, the brother called police, and a search team was soon scouring the sprawling desert 15 miles north of the border, near Douglas, Ariz.

    At around 11 p.m., a state police helicopter found Krentz slumped over his ATV, the engine and lights still on. Nearby, his dog lay critically wounded, also hit by a bullet. The dog was put down Sunday morning and will be cremated, its ashes spread on the property along with Krentz's.

    Tracker dogs have now followed the tracks of the killer back into Mexico, some 15 miles south."
    I agree compleetly wiht the above. Well said that man.

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