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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Once again, 'typical kids' don't spit on people, knock books out of their hands, assault them, follow them home harassing them, etc and so forth. According to my daughter, this type of behavior doesn't occur at her High School.

    Spitting on someone is assault and battery, FYI. It's a crime.
    Typical kids don't also go hang themselves in closets either. Just sayin'.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Typical kids don't also go hang themselves in closets either. Just sayin'.
    You really just ooze compassion with every post...

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    You really just ooze compassion with every post...
    My level of compassion is irrelevant to this discussion.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    My level of compassion is irrelevant to this discussion.
    OK, well, you are the one who stated that this type of bullying is typical kid stuff. No it's not. And I never claimed that suicide was typical, so your response was the irrelevant one. No one here has claimed that suicide is normal, but you stated that bullying was.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    OK, well, you are the one who stated that this type of bullying is typical kid stuff.
    Which still, in no way, makes my compassion an issue here.

    No it's not. And I never claimed that suicide was typical, so your response was the irrelevant one. No one here has claimed that suicide is normal, but you stated that bullying was.
    Because it is pretty normal. I think many of you have lost touch with what high school was really like.

    I said before, these girls were classic bitches. But they are certainly not atypical.

    Nearly 30% of kids are involved in bullying as a target or as a bully.

    That's also most likely an under reported phenomenon for obvious reasons. 30% is about 1 in 3. That's pretty common.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Typical kids don't also go hang themselves in closets either. Just sayin'.
    I think being raped repeatedly would illicit that kind of reaction. Getting beaten up by groups of people is physical assault, whether or not you want to downplay it. When a bully beats you up, it's assault. That is what the law calls it, so that's what it is. Kids in my schools growing up who got into serious fights where there were bodily injuries that required medical attention were charged with assault.

    I realize you are trying to make a distinction between the usual pecking order at schools, run of the mill adolescent insecurities, and skirmishes that happen regularly, but I think this was at a different level, especially when rape is involved.

    Suicide happens when pain and suffering exceed coping mechanisms. Approaching an authority for help with bullies is hard enough, but rape adds a whole other dimension to it, including survivor's guilt.

    The teenagers who raped her should be charged as adults and thrown away the rot. The rest of them deserve nothing less than an expulsion for being accessories to this. The suicidal girl may have had mental problems in the end, but those who went to such extremes to torment her and had exacted enjoyment from it should also be evaluated.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I think being raped repeatedly would illicit that kind of reaction. Getting beaten up by groups of people is physical assault, whether or not you want to downplay it. When a bully beats you up, it's assault. That is what the law calls it, so that's what it is. Kids in my schools growing up who got into serious fights where there were bodily injuries that required medical attention were charged with assault.

    I realize you are trying to make a distinction between the usual pecking order at schools, run of the mill adolescent insecurities, and skirmishes that happen regularly, but I think this was at a different level, especially when rape is involved.

    Suicide happens when pain and suffering exceed coping mechanisms. Approaching an authority for help with bullies is hard enough, but rape adds a whole other dimension to it, including survivor's guilt.

    The teenagers who raped her should be charged as adults and thrown away the rot. The rest of them deserve nothing less than an expulsion for being accessories to this. The suicidal girl may have had mental problems in the end, but those who went to such extremes to torment her and had exacted enjoyment from it should also be evaluated.
    Being a foreigner in a strange land where she did not entirely understand the customs or social order could not have helped any.
    Someone said earlier in the thread that victims of bullying have "something about them", some vulnerability that invites abuse.
    Something as minor as this- being a foreigner, having an accent- could be enough to draw the attention of bullies.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I think being raped repeatedly would illicit that kind of reaction.
    If that actually happened, you would have a point.

    Getting beaten up by groups of people is physical assault, whether or not you want to downplay it. When a bully beats you up, it's assault. That is what the law calls it, so that's what it is. Kids in my schools growing up who got into serious fights where there were bodily injuries that required medical attention were charged with assault.
    Never seen anything of the sort. Kids get into scraps all the time and its all fun and games...till someone loses an eye, of course. Although I agree, if medical attention is required, then there should be greater repercussions for the aggressor.

    I realize you are trying to make a distinction between the usual pecking order at schools, run of the mill adolescent insecurities, and skirmishes that happen regularly, but I think this was at a different level, especially when rape is involved.
    Statutory rape. You know what that means? Willing participants and one was three years or more older than the younger. You guys keep implying some gross violence or intrusion and that's not what was being stated at all.

    Suicide happens when pain and suffering exceed coping mechanisms. Approaching an authority for help with bullies is hard enough, but rape adds a whole other dimension to it, including survivor's guilt.
    Statutory rape. Operative word is that it was statutory.

    The teenagers who raped her should be charged as adults and thrown away the rot. The rest of them deserve nothing less than an expulsion for being accessories to this.
    I will agree with expulsion. They deserve nothing less as does any bully who gets caught bullying. But a prosecution in the criminal court system is a huge waste of potential, resources, and reason.

    The suicidal girl may have had mental problems in the end, but those who went to such extremes to torment her and had exacted enjoyment from it should also be evaluated.
    No doubt. They should be put through some kind of rigorous evaluation that lets them know that what they did is not acceptable. I am not defending their actions but I am condemning laying this girl's suicide at their feet for what sounds like something that happens to thousands of kids every day and they manage to cope with it.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Which still, in no way, makes my compassion an issue here.



    Because it is pretty normal. I think many of you have lost touch with what high school was really like.

    I said before, these girls were classic bitches. But they are certainly not atypical.

    Nearly 30% of kids are involved in bullying as a target or as a bully.

    That's also most likely an under reported phenomenon for obvious reasons. 30% is about 1 in 3. That's pretty common.
    The girls were atypical. The bullying described was leagues beyond usual female cattiness. As to your lack of empathy for the victim here, I'll assume it's because you have never been on that side of the fence.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    The girls were atypical. The bullying described was leagues beyond usual female cattiness. As to your lack of empathy for the victim here, I'll assume it's because you have never been on that side of the fence.
    You would assume wrong.

    I was a pretty nerdy kid in high school. Plus I was gay. I know, first hand, how cruel your peers can be in high school. And, since we all grew up, some of those same bastards are my best friends today.

    Going and hanging yourself in a closet because of teasing is the atypical scenario here.

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