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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    I have no problem whatsoever with teenagers doing time in kiddy jail for cruelty.
    They'd do time if they were caught with pot.
    They'd do time if they were drinking.
    They'd do time if they stole a car and went joyriding.

    To me, what these kids did is worse than all of those things, and it has nothing to do with Phoebe Price being dead.
    I think they should do time for their behavior even if she hadn't killed herself.

    If they were adults, and Phoebe were an adult, their behavior would've been criminal and landed them in jail.
    They put their hands on her on numerous occasions.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    We know this as adults. We don't know this as kids until it's our turn to take an ass whipping because we pushed someone too far. I think many young people miss that lesson and it only serves to make the next generation more savage than the previous.

    I read signature here once that I will never forget because of it's frank poignancy. I'll paraphrase it...

    The level of disrespect tolerated in society grows as the number of young men who have suffered a punch in the mouth for showing disrespect decreases.
    Mhm, but there's a well deserved slap for mouthing off and then there's getting hit for having the audacity to go to school.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    i cant help but think im so removed from this story in terms of my knowledge of what actually happened.How can we really judge that all those kids actually did anything that deserves punishment?
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    i cant help but think im so removed from this story in terms of my knowledge of what actually happened.How can we really judge that all those kids actually did anything that deserves punishment?
    Presumably there will be witnesses, testimony, and evidence.
    The DA would not have brought the charges if he didn't think there was some chance of pulling a case together.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Presumably there will be witnesses, testimony, and evidence.
    The DA would not have brought the charges if he didn't think there was some chance of pulling a case together.
    Yea but from a bunch of kids.I just think as people who are reading this story we shouldnt go off at these kids before we actually know the facts.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I can't help but think if this girl had had an older brother at the school, this never would've happened.
    I have to wonder about that myself. Someone who could have been in her corner and looked out for her might have helped.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    First and foremost, I never said they were stellar citizens and I have not defended their actions in the least. I would appreciate it if you would kindly respond to what I have actually said rather than the dishonest spin you put on it in your own mind.
    Crucifying the cheerleaders isn't going to change that.

    So she dated a boy and some girls decided to be catty...they scribbled her face out of some photos, knocked some books out of her hands, and threw some things. What kinds of things? Spitballs, paper balls...what?

    In other words, people who are around kids all day long and witness the behavior of kids all day long saw a bunch of kids acting like...typical kids? They saw no need to intervene (which can actually intensify the bullying later) because nothing was out of place enough to warrant intervention.

    That sounds like a defense to me. You are mitigating their behavior and claiming the resultant charges as "crucifying" them. In calling them "cheerleaders" you are also implying they lack the ability to menace, thus further diminishing their culpability in her death.

    So I have addressed what you've said as you couched it in this language that further conveys your argument.


    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Likewise with your indulgence of total hysteria.

    OK, their little nickname was the title of a movie. A kids movie about what? Some bullying. It's an integral part of growing up...learning to handle teasing and bullying.

    Well, try it one more time and we'll let a mod decide. You may dissect my arguments, but you will not derail this discussion into the realm of idiotic ad homs.

    The validity of those charges is central to this discussion, no? I don't understand the hyper-emotional hysteria.
    You have not quoted a rule that I have broken.

    I'm not derailing the thread as we are discussing your reply. And from that reply, I gather that you feel it's the dead girl's problem she's dead. The kids were just kids and bear no criminal responsibility.

    That is what I have addressed, pasting quotes from the DA as to why that opinion is wrong and took exception, as noted above, to the language you couched it in.


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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    That sounds like a defense to me. You are mitigating their behavior and claiming the resultant charges as "crucifying" them. In calling them "cheerleaders" you are also implying they lack the ability to menace, thus further diminishing their culpability in her death.
    Yep. To her, they were life-sized.
    Even a gang of first grade bullies can be menacing, to another first-grader.
    If you think any human being, of any age, couldn't be killed by a gang of their same-age peers, you're under some illusions about how sturdy human beings are.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Once again, 'typical kids' don't spit on people, knock books out of their hands, assault them, follow them home harassing them, etc and so forth. According to my daughter, this type of behavior doesn't occur at her High School.

    Spitting on someone is assault and battery, FYI. It's a crime.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    I have absolutely no pity for the teens involved in this and hope they get punished to the fullest extent of the law. Perhaps it's based on my own personal experience with bullying growing up, but I get extremely angry and passionate about bullying cases like these. It's sad that this kind of stuff continues to happen, and while it may be a part of human nature I think that it has definitely gotten worse over the years. I don't think we should be trying to justify this type of behavior by saying "Oh well, this kind of stuff happens all the time. Teens will be teens." The point is that it shouldn't be happening at all, period.

    One would think that after horrific school shootings like Columbine that people would learn to be decent to one another, even if it is out of fear. You never know who can snap. You never know what people are capable of doing when pushed. While these teens may seem callous about it now, I sincerely hope that this haunts them for the rest of their pathetic excuses for lives.

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