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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    I'm glad they're being criminally charged.
    From what I recall of being a teenager, so much of the stuff that happens between girls is really about boys. It's about jealousy, competition, and status.
    Even though boys are the cause, and even though they're oftentimes aware that it's going on, they tend to stay out of it.
    I guess they figure it's girls' business.
    If a bunch of girls decide to gang-pile another girl, even if a boy knows that he is, ostensibly, the reason... he won't intervene.
    Sometimes boys deliberately instigate and actively egg it on. I'm sure it's an ego boost for them, when girls fight over them.
    More often, they just stand back and watch, indirectly exacerbating the situation by their presence and their non-intervention.

    Boys need to intervene when girls are being bullied.
    I always taught my boys to be advocates for those weaker than themselves.
    If a boy were being bullied by other boys, they would intervene- and have, more than once.

    But when a girl is being bullied by other girls, I don't know if boys realize they have a right to intervene.
    I don't know if they realize they have the power to stop it, almost effortlessly, without putting themselves at any risk whatsoever... because it's all about them in the first place.

    Those of us with sons should teach our sons that it's okay to intervene in "girls' business", when that business is the mistreatment and abuse of a helpless classmate by a gang of female bullies.

    Boys have more power to stop these situations than girls do.
    In this case, they could've saved a life.


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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    So she got roughly three months of "abuse" as the new kid at school.



    I am not inclined to accept prosecution-tailored rhetoric as being gospel truth. Sorry. Plus, everything said here is subjective. Period.



    Then you know what? You don't allow people to twitter you, you don't have them on your facey space and you don't get on Craigslist and expose yourself to it. That's a reasonable healthy reaction. Hanging yourself in a coat closet is NOT a reasonable, healthy reaction to teasing.

    Teasing happens. It happens. Doesn't make it right, doesn't make it ok...but it is what it is. And it always has been since before the little girl hung herself in the closet and it still will be when this story goes out of the news cycle. Crucifying the cheerleaders isn't going to change that.



    So she dated a boy and some girls decided to be catty...they scribbled her face out of some photos, knocked some books out of her hands, and threw some things. What kinds of things? Spitballs, paper balls...what?

    None of that except threatening text messages seems like more than teasing. And as for the messages, why did they have her number to start with?




    The rape needs to be addressed as well as the physical abuse that was witnessed.



    A red bull can? Seriously? A friggin red bull can? As a dangerous weapon? I'm not buying this at all.



    Oh so now it was STATUTORY rape. It wasn't date rape or some other kind of violent rape...but STATUTORY rape. I am now even less inclined to begin to believe this is anything but a cry of "crucify the cheerleaders" because of some mass hysteria over a community's inability to cope with the real problem here: a teenage suicide.



    In other words, people who are around kids all day long and witness the behavior of kids all day long saw a bunch of kids acting like...typical kids? They saw no need to intervene (which can actually intensify the bullying later) because nothing was out of place enough to warrant intervention.



    Well there you go. No criminal negligence on the parts of the teachers. Troublesome because a teenager committed suicide, but not troublesome enough to warrant criminal matters for the people in charge.

    But yeah, let's crucify the cheerleaders to make everyone feel better about it.
    Yeah, what stellar citizens they are by attacking her again, chortling online about her death. And of course everyone knows how horribly maligned cheerleaders are. /sarcasm off

    Your lack of compassion is stunning. Simply stunning. If the DA is wrong, as you are implying the language is tailored, that's a pretty big gamble with their career if they have no case. They certainly didn't wince on the charges they brought. For Pete's Sake they even named themselves the Mean Girls. They incorporated their intent to make her life hell and they did.


    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Forgive me if I discount your emotional attempt at vilifying me with your accusation that I "like her tormentors" am victimizing her again. That's not debate and discussion: that's you attempting to leverage emotional extortion against the my arguments.

    One more time to attack me that way, and I will report. I understand that hearing about a teenage suicide can blur perceptions and inflame emotions, but you don't need to direct your ire at me. You can direct it at the arguments. kthanx.
    How is equating you with the cheerleaders and their actions in violation of the rules of this board? I did not call you a name or use profanity. Your comments caused me to direct my ire towards you.

    Yes it is an emotional issue and it should be. A girl is dead. Charges have been brought by the law against the people the DA deemed responsible for it. I don't understand the lack of compassion.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Do you really think putting kids in the justice system over this is going to create more compassionate adults out of them?

    Sure you know better than that.
    Those 'Mean Girls' will have a real eye opening at their reception by the 'Tough Hos' from The Hood. They'll find out what 'Mean' really is...

    It's called 'Karma'.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    Oh thanks for reminding me that I never went out on a date or had sex, even now and I am 23. I have had sex though, just never have been on a date.
    You haven't learn how not to be a target yet?

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    You haven't learn how not to be a target yet?
    What do you mean?

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I'm glad they're being criminally charged.
    From what I recall of being a teenager, so much of the stuff that happens between girls is really about boys. It's about jealousy, competition, and status.
    Even though boys are the cause, and even though they're oftentimes aware that it's going on, they tend to stay out of it.
    I guess they figure it's girls' business.
    If a bunch of girls decide to gang-pile another girl, even if a boy knows that he is, ostensibly, the reason... he won't intervene.
    Sometimes boys deliberately instigate and actively egg it on. I'm sure it's an ego boost for them, when girls fight over them.
    More often, they just stand back and watch, indirectly exacerbating the situation by their presence and their non-intervention.

    Boys need to intervene when girls are being bullied.
    I always taught my boys to be advocates for those weaker than themselves.
    If a boy were being bullied by other boys, they would intervene- and have, more than once.

    But when a girl is being bullied by other girls, I don't know if boys realize they have a right to intervene.
    I don't know if they realize they have the power to stop it, almost effortlessly, without putting themselves at any risk whatsoever... because it's all about them in the first place.

    Those of us with sons should teach our sons that it's okay to intervene in "girls' business", when that business is the mistreatment and abuse of a helpless classmate by a gang of female bullies.

    Boys have more power to stop these situations than girls do.
    In this case, they could've saved a life.

    Thank you! I agree completely.

    I instructed all three of my kids (two boys and a girl) to intercede when they see/saw (two are out of high school) bullying and whoa be to them if I ever caught or heard of them doing it.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Thank you! I agree completely.

    I instructed all three of my kids (two boys and a girl) to intercede when they see/saw (two are out of high school) bullying and whoa be to them if I ever caught or heard of them doing it.
    I can't help but think if this girl had had an older brother at the school, this never would've happened.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    What do you mean?
    I mean, your unnecessary revelation regarding your sex life (or lack thereof) sets you up to be an object of ridicule.

    Man, I totally sympathize with what you went through while in High School, it sounds terrible. That said, there is a reason why some people get targeted, something in their behavior that makes them vulnerable to sadistic bullies.

    You should learn from your negative experiences while young how to avoid such scenarios in the future. Adulthood is a fresh start.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Yeah, what stellar citizens they are by attacking her again, chortling online about her death. And of course everyone knows how horribly maligned cheerleaders are. /sarcasm off

    First and foremost, I never said they were stellar citizens and I have not defended their actions in the least. I would appreciate it if you would kindly respond to what I have actually said rather than the dishonest spin you put on it in your own mind.

    Your lack of compassion is stunning. Simply stunning.
    Likewise with your indulgence of total hysteria.

    If the DA is wrong, as you are implying the language is tailored, that's a pretty big gamble with their career if they have no case. They certainly didn't wince on the charges they brought. For Pete's Sake they even named themselves the Mean Girls. They incorporated their intent to make her life hell and they did.
    OK, their little nickname was the title of a movie. A kids movie about what? Some bullying. It's an integral part of growing up...learning to handle teasing and bullying.


    How is equating you with the cheerleaders and their actions in violation of the rules of this board? I did not call you a name or use profanity. Your comments caused me to direct my ire towards you.
    Well, try it one more time and we'll let a mod decide. You may dissect my arguments, but you will not derail this discussion into the realm of idiotic ad homs.

    Yes it is an emotional issue and it should be. A girl is dead. Charges have been brought by the law against the people the DA deemed responsible for it. I don't understand the lack of compassion.
    The validity of those charges is central to this discussion, no? I don't understand the hyper-emotional hysteria.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Those 'Mean Girls' will have a real eye opening at their reception by the 'Tough Hos' from The Hood. They'll find out what 'Mean' really is...

    It's called 'Karma'.
    I don't think there's any way these kids will get sent to jail. This is grandstanding and nothing more. Probabtion for the threatening texts, maybe.

    They aren't getting charged with anything that would send them to jail except the statutory rape charge for the boys and even that is shaky with one fo them definitely being a minor and the other possibly having been at the time.

    I mean, you guys act like the girl got mobbed and strung up in a lynching. There's no evidence to that effect.

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