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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I would hope so. I won't hold my breath on it. But there has to be some level of punishment, and we've seemingly removed the natural check on this. So there has to be something in place. We go crazy with assault charges, but to me assault isn't punching someone in the mouth who deserves it. It's if you viciously beat someone up. We don't make that distinction anymore, but sometimes someone really just deserves to be punched. But without that, then we have unbridled the aggressors while punishing the victims. In such case; we still have to have something in place as punishment or the aggressors. Because of the severity of this case, I'm not opposed to jail time. And I would just hope that maybe they'll learn a thing or two because of it.
    Actually, I am of two minds on the issue of jail time here. On one hand, I would like to join in the mob in calling for the heads of the cheerleaders. It is, after all, such an iconic and archetypal victory to see them dethroned in the most dramatic of ways. Plus, these girls were real classic bitches.

    As for the two guys, well...how does statutory rape play in for the 17 year old? Not sure I get that. I am also of a mind to give them light sentences even for that because...well...boys will be boys and if she was a willing participant, you know? That's a tough call, too.

    But my rational side says if we take these girls who might be horrible examples of kids gone totally down the sadistic path of bullying and teasing, did they actually do anything that would have gotten them in trouble if a disturbed young lady hadn't committed suicide? Are we really able to hold them accountable for the kind of senseless death that, by default, lays the suspicion at the hands of the one who did the killing: the one who committed suicide?

    If someone needs to be blamed, blame the parents who weren't listening, the teachers who didn't intervene, the system that allows it...whatever. But don't take these kids who acted like kids and turn them into the animals that products of the justice system usually are.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Fox 86
    But really suicide harms no one but yourself.
    This isn't true. Suicide is one of the most selfish things you can do; it harms everybody that loves and cares about you infinitely more profoundly than it does yourself, because they have to live with it.

    What she did to her family was infinitely worse than what those "bullies" did to her.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    And part of the problem most kids just get made fun of once or twice but at least they have friends to talk with and make them feel better.
    She obviously wasn't that much of an outcast. She was dating and having sex.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    She obviously wasn't that much of an outcast. She was dating and having sex.
    Oh thanks for reminding me that I never went out on a date or had sex, even now and I am 23. I have had sex though, just never have been on a date.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    This isn't true. Suicide is one of the most selfish things you can do; it harms everybody that loves and cares about you infinitely more profoundly than it does yourself, because they have to live with it.

    What she did to her family was infinitely worse than what those "bullies" did to her.
    Depends on how much her family loved her.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    Oh thanks for reminding me that I never went out on a date or had sex, even now and I am 23. I have had sex though, just never have been on a date.
    That's tmi, bro.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    That's tmi, bro.
    damn you woman.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    damn you woman.
    yeah, yeah.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    Oh thanks for reminding me that I never went out on a date or had sex, even now and I am 23. I have had sex though, just never have been on a date.
    I'm just saying that we need to put the hysteria aside and look at this rationally. You seem to have had it even tougher than this girl...so much so that you had to magnify her situation to make it match your experience.

    All I am trying to do is point out that while our instinct may be to crucify the mean girls out of some twisted sympathy for the girl who killed herself, what is it really going to accomplish to lay this girl's disturbance at the feet of these other young people?

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    I don't understand how they bullied her online. Couldn't she change her e-mail or block them from her facebook or do something else like that so they couldn't contact her?

    p.s. I'm not blaming this in any way on her I'm just curious.

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