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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think any teacher witnessing the abuse (particularly the rape if that part is true) must face disciplinary actions if not legal (particularly the rape if that part is true) for this inaction.
    Yep. I fal to see why they should watch kids being beaten or hit without consequences.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    The harassment started in September and ended with her death on January 14th. Just look at the numbers involved, 4 girls and 2 boys have been charged and it sound like they were relentless in that it happened at school and online and text messages. Read the following statement from the DA. It was more than hurt feelings. She suffered tremendous cruelty.
    So she got roughly three months of "abuse" as the new kid at school.

    [Phoebe Prince, a new arrival at South Hadley High School from a tiny seaside hamlet in County Clare, was mercilessly tormented by a cadre of classmates later dubbed the "Mean Girls" by Massachusetts newspapers.

    "The investigation revealed relentless activity directed towards Phoebe designed to humiliate her and to make it impossible for her to remain at school," said District Attorney Elizabeth Scheibel.

    "The bullying for her became intolerable."
    I am not inclined to accept prosecution-tailored rhetoric as being gospel truth. Sorry. Plus, everything said here is subjective. Period.

    According to students, Phoebe was called "Irish slut" and "whore" on Twitter, Craigslist, Facebook and Formspring.
    Then you know what? You don't allow people to twitter you, you don't have them on your facey space and you don't get on Craigslist and expose yourself to it. That's a reasonable healthy reaction. Hanging yourself in a coat closet is NOT a reasonable, healthy reaction to teasing.

    Teasing happens. It happens. Doesn't make it right, doesn't make it ok...but it is what it is. And it always has been since before the little girl hung herself in the closet and it still will be when this story goes out of the news cycle. Crucifying the cheerleaders isn't going to change that.

    Her books were routinely knocked out of her hands, items were flung at her, her face was scribbled out of photographs on the school walls, and threatening text messages were sent to her cell phone.

    Scheibel said she had drawn the ire of the "Mean Girls" by briefly dating a popular senior football player in her first weeks at the school.
    So she dated a boy and some girls decided to be catty...they scribbled her face out of some photos, knocked some books out of her hands, and threw some things. What kinds of things? Spitballs, paper balls...what?

    None of that except threatening text messages seems like more than teasing. And as for the messages, why did they have her number to start with?


    Two boys were involved in the rape and the physical abuse was witnessed by teachers who did nothing.
    The rape needs to be addressed as well as the physical abuse that was witnessed.

    Seven of the nine charged Monday are girls charged with a range of crimes, from criminal harassment to stalking to civil rights violations. A juvenile was charged with assault by means of a dangerous weapon - namely, the Red Bull can.
    A red bull can? Seriously? A friggin red bull can? As a dangerous weapon? I'm not buying this at all.

    The two males, 17 and 18, are charged with statutory rape.
    Oh so now it was STATUTORY rape. It wasn't date rape or some other kind of violent rape...but STATUTORY rape. I am now even less inclined to begin to believe this is anything but a cry of "crucify the cheerleaders" because of some mass hysteria over a community's inability to cope with the real problem here: a teenage suicide.

    Unveiling the indictments Monday, Scheibel said numerous faculty members, staff members and administrators at South Hadley High School were aware of the bullying - some even witnessed physical abuse - and did nothing.
    In other words, people who are around kids all day long and witness the behavior of kids all day long saw a bunch of kids acting like...typical kids? They saw no need to intervene (which can actually intensify the bullying later) because nothing was out of place enough to warrant intervention.

    She said the investigation looked at whether the adults' failure to help Phoebe amounted to criminal behavior.

    "In our opinion, it did not," she said. "Nevertheless, the actions or inactions of some adults at the school are troublesome."
    Well there you go. No criminal negligence on the parts of the teachers. Troublesome because a teenager committed suicide, but not troublesome enough to warrant criminal matters for the people in charge.

    But yeah, let's crucify the cheerleaders to make everyone feel better about it.

    Phoebe Prince, South Hadley High School's 'new girl,' driven to suicide by teenage cyber bullies

    So no, their bullying is not being blown out of proportion to cover up a problem with the victim, other than she was a victim and you like her tormentors are victimizing her again.
    Forgive me if I discount your emotional attempt at vilifying me with your accusation that I "like her tormentors" am victimizing her again. That's not debate and discussion: that's you attempting to leverage emotional extortion against the my arguments.

    One more time to attack me that way, and I will report. I understand that hearing about a teenage suicide can blur perceptions and inflame emotions, but you don't need to direct your ire at me. You can direct it at the arguments. kthanx.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    My daily day in Highschool was being tormented daily that included being ignored by everyone or being hit physically or spit on by boys and girls. I rarely talked with kids because they'd normally brush off my attempts at conversation and I mean all the kids did that, the jocks, nerds, losers, etc. I had no one to talk with or hang with in HS, except for my Senior year a Bulgarian student moved to my school from his nation. And he and I would talk whenever possible.

    Now after having endured that, I don't believe even after being raped that one should commit suicide. Or just because they are made fun off. I saw the picture of the girl and she was very pretty and I would have loved to known a girl so beautiful like her. But its a shame that she killed herself. Its hard the experiences I had while in school, and I still have difficulties trusting people but one thing i would never do is hurt myself or anyone else. And for those who say get over it because everyone gets made fun of. Their are instances where things are just more than being made fun of.
    I had a similar experience, but the difference is I can see why she committed suicide. The thought crossed my mind numerous times because I saw it as a way out of having to go through the hellish day at school.

    And because of my experiences I probably am taking this story really personally and is a reason I have tried to stay out of it for the most part. I just feel when it comes to something like this a lot of people read about what happened to this poor girl and ask why didn't she defend herself or fight back. And it isn't that easy after a few months of dealing with kids like this. It is sort of thing you don't really grasp the entirety of what her life was like until you lived through it yourself.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    I honestly don't think a kid should have to handle physical violence as part and parcel of growing up. I don't think it confers any benefit in terms of strength or "toughness", and I don't think it should be in any way condoned. Kids are assholes, that's a fact of life. But as soon as you raise your hand to another person in an unprovoked attack, you're out of line, regardless of age. I'm not really sure like the idea of letting kids think that's not objectionable beaviour; seems like the kind of thing that, for some of them, may persist into adultood.
    We know this as adults. We don't know this as kids until it's our turn to take an ass whipping because we pushed someone too far. I think many young people miss that lesson and it only serves to make the next generation more savage than the previous.

    I read signature here once that I will never forget because of it's frank poignancy. I'll paraphrase it...

    The level of disrespect tolerated in society grows as the number of young men who have suffered a punch in the mouth for showing disrespect decreases.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    Yep. I fal to see why they should watch kids being beaten or hit without consequences.
    If it's a standard, 1-1 fist fight; I can see letting it play out for a small time before just breaking it up. Like in hockey. Though the best policy is most likely to break it up on the spot. Something like a rape, if that part is true and teachers or authority figures saw it and did nothing...it's inexcusable. If a teacher saw something like that, the boys should feel lucky if they escaped with just broken jaws. And for the group violence, that can't be allowed to exist at all either.

    It seems there was a major break down in the school and parents on this issue. And as much as I don't like "bullying" laws because bullying is part of growing up as is learning to deal with it and defend yourself form it; in this specific case I think it's warranted. Maybe if these girls and boys do some time; they'll think differently about how the treat and interact with others.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I, for one, am glad they are prosecuting these young people for their criminal behavior. The school that they all attended should have taken strong action against them long before it came to this.

    I think that young people should follow the same laws as adults. I think schools should not tolerate criminal activity on school grounds. I think the school officials should also, in some way, be called to task.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The level of disrespect tolerated in society grows as the number of young men who have suffered a punch in the mouth for showing disrespect decreases.
    I think there is definitely truth to this statement.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It seems there was a major break down in the school and parents on this issue. And as much as I don't like "bullying" laws because bullying is part of growing up as is learning to deal with it and defend yourself form it; in this specific case I think it's warranted. Maybe if these girls and boys do some time; they'll think differently about how the treat and interact with others.
    Do you really think putting kids in the justice system over this is going to create more compassionate adults out of them?

    Sure you know better than that.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Do you really think putting kids in the justice system over this is going to create more compassionate adults out of them?

    Sure you know better than that.
    I would hope so. I won't hold my breath on it. But there has to be some level of punishment, and we've seemingly removed the natural check on this. So there has to be something in place. We go crazy with assault charges, but to me assault isn't punching someone in the mouth who deserves it. It's if you viciously beat someone up. We don't make that distinction anymore, but sometimes someone really just deserves to be punched. But without that, then we have unbridled the aggressors while punishing the victims. In such case; we still have to have something in place as punishment or the aggressors. Because of the severity of this case, I'm not opposed to jail time. And I would just hope that maybe they'll learn a thing or two because of it.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    IAnd it isn't that easy after a few months of dealing with kids like this. It is sort of thing you don't really grasp the entirety of what her life was like until you lived through it yourself.
    And part of the problem most kids just get made fun of once or twice but at least they have friends to talk with and make them feel better. It isn't like they were on their own like this girl was. I don't believe the majority know what it is like to have been that girl or someone who was truly made fun of and was a social outcast for the majority of their time in school. People won't get that.
    I can understand why suicide seemed like a good option, there were many times I did want to commit suicide too, like you felt as well. But really suicide harms no one but yourself. And harming another person is so wrong. I think that she could have prevented killing herself, by just getting a hobby outside of people in the real world. I played lots of videogames or spent a lot of time on internet forums. It really helped to ease the loneliness. She could have done that instead of killing herself.

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