Page 3 of 29 FirstFirst 1234513 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 282

Thread: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

  1. #21
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Last Seen
    11-23-11 @ 10:06 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,827

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I am well aware of the compounding reason for this girl's issues.

    I am not sure these kids should be charged and prosecuted for behaving like kids.

    The rapist is who I would go after.
    Most 'kids' don't stalk and criminally harass people. In real life, this would be actionable. For some reason, our society lets adolescents get away with stuff that the rest of us would be prosecuted for.

  2. #22
    Cànan a' Gàidheal
    Anima's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    West Coast of Scotland
    Last Seen
    06-24-12 @ 01:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    1,741

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah for sure. I think the zero tolerances for fighting thing is a mistake. Sometimes people get in scruffs. Now it's all dependent upon conditions and school and stuff; but not all fighting is bad. Sometimes fighting makes the bully shut his big fat mouth.
    Oh yeah, I've seen kids who've been attacked daily finally snapping and giving the bullies a good hard smack, and coincidentially, the administration are eager enough to intervene then, finally! Any policy that doesn't differentiate between unprovoked aggression and self defence is just far too black and white to work in the real world.
    "I'll govern for all the ambitions of Scotland, and for all of the people who imagine that we can live in a better land. This party, the Scottish party, your party, carries your hope, and we shall carry it carefully, and make the nation proud."
    Alex Salmond, First Minister of Scotland, Scottish National Party

  3. #23
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    02-16-11 @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    36,915
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    Well, there's ostracism and the popular girls tittering behind their hands at you, and then there's daily harrassment, physical abuse and sexual violence. Most instances of bullying are somewhere in the middle, but when you hear someone's taken their own life over "bullying", unless you have the deatils, you really can't know exactly what they've been dealing with.
    No you can't...but I haven't heard anything beyond the rape that would justify prosecuting kids for being kids.

    I mean, who hasn't heard someone called a slut in high school or seen others get in to brief scraps in the hall. And everyone knows there was always that one kid who drew the taunts of everyone else and that kid usually grows up to be the most handsome and successful at 30.

    I am just saying...hanging herself in a closet...I doubt thats because she got called a slut and had a can thrown at her from a passing car. It just seems so sensationalized.
    Last edited by jallman; 03-29-10 at 05:10 PM.

  4. #24
    Cànan a' Gàidheal
    Anima's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    West Coast of Scotland
    Last Seen
    06-24-12 @ 01:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    1,741

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No you can't...but I haven't heard anything beyond the rape that would justify prosecuting kids for being kids.

    I mean, who hasn't heard someone called a slut in high school or seen others get in to brief scraps in the hall. And everyone knows there was always that one kid who drew to taunts of everyone else and that kid usually grows up to be the most handsome and successful at 30.

    I am just saying...hanging herself in a closet...I doubt thats because she got called a slut and had a can thrown at her from a passing car. It just seems so sensationalized.
    Oh hell yeah, there may well be underlying issues that lessened er ability to cope, but from the information we have it does look like what she suffered at school wasn't just teasing and thoughtless comments. I'm not saying we should prosecute teenagers just for being thoughtless and too quick to run off at the mouth, but what about when it isn't just teasing, or a scrap in the hall? What about when it's being tormented daily or attacked by a gang of people, or being thrown down the stairs, and sexually assaulted?

    There's our normal high school turbulence, and then there's actual, agressive, undeserved bullying of a weaker person to the point where psychological or even physical harm can occur. I'm not sure we can do anyting about the first, but we damn well need to do more to tackle the second.
    "I'll govern for all the ambitions of Scotland, and for all of the people who imagine that we can live in a better land. This party, the Scottish party, your party, carries your hope, and we shall carry it carefully, and make the nation proud."
    Alex Salmond, First Minister of Scotland, Scottish National Party

  5. #25
    Sage
    Taylor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    US
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:25 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,170

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I am well aware of the compounding reason for this girl's issues.

    I am not sure these kids should be charged and prosecuted for behaving like kids.

    The rapist is who I would go after.
    Both boys are charged with rape, all six older kids (4 girls, 2 boys) are charged with bodily injury in addition to other charges. Three 16yr olds are charged with "assault by means of a dangerous weapon." I presume all were friends, subsequently chiding her continuing after she was dead.

    So when you ask, "maybe these kids didn't do much more than any other kids at any other school" - I gotta say, not likely.

  6. #26
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    02-16-11 @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    36,915
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    Oh hell yeah, there may well be underlying issues that lessened er ability to cope, but from the information we have it does look like what she suffered at school wasn't just teasing and thoughtless comments. I'm not saying we should prosecute teenagers just for being thoughtless and too quick to run off at the mouth, but what about when it isn't just teasing, or a scrap in the hall? What about when it's being tormented daily or attacked by a gang of people, or being thrown down the stairs, and sexually assaulted?

    There's our normal high school turbulence, and then there's actual, agressive, undeserved bullying of a weaker person to the point where psychological or even physical harm can occur. I'm not sure we can do anyting about the first, but we damn well need to do more to tackle the second.
    The sexual assault is the only thing I have read that needs to be addressed, criminally. If she was thrown down stairs, then that should have been addressed, also.

    The remainder of everything else I read, the school should have addressed with detentions and suspensions. Nothing happened to this girl that I haven't personally witnessed or suffered myself at one time or another. Kids go to school 5 days a week. I can assure you that 5 days a week, something similar happens at every school. (again, barring the sexual assault)

    I just don't see criminal prosecution being a worthwhile pursuit for most of these kids. Yeah, the girl committed suicide and that's tragic. But her commiting suicide does not make these other kids criminals.

  7. #27
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    02-16-11 @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    36,915
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Both boys are charged with rape, all six older kids (4 girls, 2 boys) are charged with bodily injury in addition to other charges. Three 16yr olds are charged with "assault by means of a dangerous weapon." I presume all were friends, subsequently chiding her continuing after she was dead.

    So when you ask, "maybe these kids didn't do much more than any other kids at any other school" - I gotta say, not likely.
    There you go. You have your two rapists. I will even throw in the "dangerous weapon" charge as being fair.

    The rest, I see no reason to prosecute.

  8. #28
    pirate lover
    liblady's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    St Thomas, VI
    Last Seen
    03-14-16 @ 03:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    16,165
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The rape part may very well have been the root cause of her taking her own life.

    Physically assaulted is just hyper-inflated code for "the kids were fighting".
    since i don't know the details, i will withhold judgement. but stalking, physical assualt and sexual assualt aren't typical. if they are, something is very wrong at that school.

    being hit in the head with a can of soda is serious, imo. it's too bad she couldn't figure out a way to fight back, and i hope the "kids" who did this to her are justly punished.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


  9. #29
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    02-16-11 @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    36,915
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    since i don't know the details, i will withhold judgement. but stalking, physical assualt and sexual assualt aren't typical. if they are, something is very wrong at that school.

    being hit in the head with a can of soda is serious, imo. it's too bad she couldn't figure out a way to fight back, and i hope the "kids" who did this to her are justly punished.
    I think other than the ones who sexually assaulted her, they should have certainly been expelled. Maybe even expulsed for the year.

  10. #30
    pirate lover
    liblady's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    St Thomas, VI
    Last Seen
    03-14-16 @ 03:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    16,165
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think other than the ones who sexually assaulted her, they should have certainly been expelled. Maybe even expulsed for the year.
    i think they have been, at least i hope so.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


Page 3 of 29 FirstFirst 1234513 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •