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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I am saying you don't know that she wouldn't have killed herself if those girls were taken out of the picture. She showed signs of having some emotional disturbances to start with, first by immediately sleeping around and then by killing herself. That's really dramatic and has a note of finality to it that healthy people would not indulge.

    She might not have killed herself that day, but she very well might have killed herself the next over something her mom or dad said, over an argument with her sister, or over something that happened on 90210. You don't know and you can't blame these other kids for her death. No one hung that girl but her.
    That is a valid approach. I give you thumbs up for such a logical and well thought out presentation.

    I suppose, we all have to admit, there are factors to this particular situation, that we are all unaware of. There has to be. We form our opinions on the best info we accumulate. Jallman could be 100% right. Time will tell. I guess we will all have to put our faith in the courts to see this through.

    I am looking at through these eyes here:

    Young girl, new high school, feeling like a fish out of water, looking for acceptance and friendship as any teen-ager would. Easy, vulnerable prey, made the same mistake millions and millions of girls in that position do, sleep with some guy thinking that would get her the love and acceptance she needs. (Teenagers ****. Can I get a witness? ) Some here may call her an Irish slut, getting what she deserved, but I simply pity those people.)

    Barbi, and her entourage of other air-headed, pep-squad clicker's, don't like the fact that an outsider boinked Chaz and entered herself into the "better-than-thou" gene pool. New doe in the herd. That's, like, so beasty! Gag me with a spoon! <tosses hair.>

    Chaz, in repentance for ****ing outside the chosen few, has to betray the Irish slut and join in with doe-heard as they laugh and call Rudolph....er....the Irish slut, names and not only keep her from playing their reindeer games, they focus like a laser to make this vulnerable child life a living nightmare.

    Then, Mommy and Daddy Slut get to cut their little girl down from her noose and bury their little girl.

    If I were to fall down on one side or the other, not knowing ALL the facts, I prefer to err on the side of the grieving parents and NOT on the side of the bully-class.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think I have been called a bully on here once or twice. I have never really been a bully other than little incidents with my brother and that doesn't count. That's called sibling rivalry.

    And no, I am not defending their actions. I am condemning the criminal charges against them.

    How I feel about their actions is irrelevant to the reality of the situation. I may be disgusted by them as people, but I am not willing to trump criminal charges against them to placate damaged feelings over a disturbed girl's death.
    I can respect that.

    Yesterday, Bill O'reilly had a guest on and the argument was about a panel of judges that sided with the Phelp's cult and, to add insult to injury, they also awarded the Phelp's cult monetary compensation from the grieving father that took them to court.

    In short, Phelp's bullied this grieving father's son's funeral, the father sued, lost, and had to pay the Phelp's whacko's money.

    It ain't right, but that's the law.

    What a world, hey?

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    That is a valid approach. I give you thumbs up for such a logical and well thought out presentation.

    I suppose, we all have to admit, there are factors to this particular situation, that we are all unaware of. There has to be. We form our opinions on the best info we accumulate. Jallman could be 100% right. Time will tell. I guess we will all have to put our faith in the courts to see this through.

    I am looking at through these eyes here:

    Young girl, new high school, feeling like a fish out of water, looking for acceptance and friendship as any teen-ager would. Easy, vulnerable prey, made the same mistake millions and millions of girls in that position do, sleep with some guy thinking that would get her the love and acceptance she needs. (Teenagers ****. Can I get a witness? ) Some here may call her an Irish slut, getting what she deserved, but I simply pity those people.)

    Barbi, and her entourage of other air-headed, pep-squad clicker's, don't like the fact that an outsider boinked Chaz and entered herself into the "better-than-thou" gene pool. New doe in the herd. That's, like, so beasty! Gag me with a spoon! <tosses hair.>

    Chaz, in repentance for ****ing outside the chosen few, has to betray the Irish slut and join in with doe-heard as they laugh and call Rudolph....er....the Irish slut, names and not only keep her from playing their reindeer games, they focus like a laser to make this vulnerable child life a living nightmare.

    Then, Mommy and Daddy Slut get to cut their little girl down from her noose and bury their little girl.

    If I were to fall down on one side or the other, not knowing ALL the facts, I prefer to err on the side of the grieving parents and NOT on the side of the bully-class.

    I'm funny that way. Call me crazy.
    I understand all that but do you not see the dramatization you are creating and how that has taken a life of its own..."Crucify the Cheerleaders!!!"

    I never said I was coming down on the side of "Barbi and Chaz" and I don't think the girl is a slut or Irish slut or anything else. But I do think that her behavior was indicative of some self esteem issues and that her fragility is not the fault of these other kids.

    Some people just can't handle life. Does that make the people who don't tip-toe around their feelings criminals for not treating them with kid gloves?

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I can respect that.

    Yesterday, Bill O'reilly had a guest on and the argument was about a panel of judges that sided with the Phelp's cult and, to add insult to injury, they also awarded the Phelp's cult monetary compensation from the grieving father that took them to court.

    In short, Phelp's bullied this grieving father's son's funeral, the father sued, lost, and had to pay the Phelp's whacko's money.

    It ain't right, but that's the law.

    What a world, hey?
    I think the Phelps clan provoke lawsuits so they can make money. I think that should be examined by the court before compensation is ever paid out.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think the Phelps clan provoke lawsuits so they can make money. I think that should be examined by the court before compensation is ever paid out.
    I think they should be examined by a coroner, but that's just me.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    I'm confused. Who has charged these kids with homicide?

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I'm confused. Who has charged these kids with homicide?
    Well the media has done a damned good job of it.

    But that's not even remotely close to the point here.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's where I am coming from. I think these girls are culpable for their bullying. They should get the normal treatment that bullies get which is suspension or expulsion for the year, if it was bad enough.

    But now that this disturbed young lady has committed suicide, it seems that their consequences have been ramped up to match the reaction of the community and not to be commensurate with their culpability.
    I think I'm coming from a similar but slightly different position. I think the bullies should be responsible, criminally, for any behaviors that were against the law. Legally, they have no responsibility in the girl's death. However, one cannot dismiss that the bullying was a factor in her suicide... that does not mean LEGALLY. This kind of behavior comes from many sources, and I would venture to guess that the girl was depressed for many reasons. However, the bullying was a factor in her emotional state.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Wow, amazing. I happen to have a 15 yr old daughter. Whenever we watch a movie depicting nasty high school girls, she always informs me how unrealistic that is, that it never happens at her school.
    Doesn't happen that often really. And as bad as it sounds (and it is bad), the girl obviously suffered from mental illness that contributed to her killing herself. A mentally sound person wouldn't commit suicide because someone calls them a slut or throws an energy drink at them. Obviously her issues went way deeper than the bullying.

    Nevertheless I think the bullies should get charged with a crime.

    I thank God she attends a school where this sort of stuff doesn't occur.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    When I grew up we just had one bully on the block and he was managble.

    Today the bully has found there is strength in numbers and calls for help with his cell phone. 16:1 is a crime. Pounding on there head until there braindead or made into a cripple, is no longer uncommon where I live.

    Like I said society needs to rethink how to punish kids between 10-18 years old.
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