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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke
    Those reactions don't always work with teenagers. And the harassment continued for at least 3 months
    Then ignore it. Let it be. You should not let what is beyond your powers affect you, because doing so is a waste of energy and yields no positive results.


    And what you would endure before going to the cops is not necessarily the same as what someone else could endure. Also, since we don't know all the details of the case, there is no telling what kind of things were specifically being done to her outside of school. They had her cell phone number, so maybe they were calling her a lot. It is also possible what I said earlier is true, that they could have placed an ad on Craig's list from her, with her phone number on it, and she could have been also getting calls from that.
    If something like that seriously bothers you then you can just change your phone number. Duh.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    rivrrat, I don't think you appreciate the level of what is happening here. All those tactics used to work and usually are good advice. But, kid bullies these days don't take a hint and simply don't stop. Kids are not as strong as adults. They succumb to peer bullying faster and more severely than you or I might.
    I've been a kid too, ya know. And bullied. I seriously doubt that bullies "these days" are any different. I was followed, had things thrown at me, called names, threatened with violence. What I did worked perfectly. And I was 14.

    Look, these kids committed rape. Another committed suicide over this ****. This is serious ****! It needs to be stopped before serious crimes are committed.
    Statutory rape isn't rape.

    This bullying is an epidemic in schools all over the country. It needs to be stopped early and hard. These punks need to be punished to the fullest extent of the law possible. This needs to be used as a teaching moment to school admins and teachers all over to get their attention to take bullying more seriously.
    No, it doesn't. What needs to be done is to let kids be kids and teach them how to deal with mean people. Because coddling them until they're 18 isn't going to help them any when they get into the real world and realize that some people are ****ing assholes.

    If things escalate to physical assaults then of course action should be taken. But name calling?? Give me a break.

    The "kids will be kids" excuse to ignore this has to be replaced with "we need to protect our kids". It's our responsibility to stop bullying. God damn, this is our children we're talking about. These are serious crimes we're talking about. This ain't "harassment"!
    No. We don't need to protect our kids like that. We need to stop coddling them and give them real tools and real values to survive in a world where the teachers and mommy and daddy don't run interference every time someone calls them a bad name.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Only if you choose to be insulted. It means what it means, if you want to read extra meaning into it, feel free.
    Yes, I do choose to be insulted by someone considering consensual sex to be some kind of rape.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Those reactions don't always work with teenagers. And the harassment continued for at least 3 months (this is from one of the news stories, but another said Sept til she killed herself in Jan). Teenagers are more easily intimidated than adults and, in her particular case, less likely to have a friend there to assure her that doing those things you said would actually work.

    And what you would endure before going to the cops is not necessarily the same as what someone else could endure. Also, since we don't know all the details of the case, there is no telling what kind of things were specifically being done to her outside of school. They had her cell phone number, so maybe they were calling her a lot. It is also possible what I said earlier is true, that they could have placed an ad on Craig's list from her, with her phone number on it, and she could have been also getting calls from that.

    I have no idea what all the details of the case are, but the DA obviously felt she had a good case. I simply don't agree with you that harassment should not be a criminal offense. Intentional acts meant to cause emotional distress should not be overlooked by our justice system just because they are not doing actual physical harm.

    It's not the fact that they did a few things, it's the number of them and the number of things they did, not to mention the pure meanness to all of it. There is no excuse for anyone to act like that towards another person, and she certainly should not have had to just "ignore it" for months.
    If she had ignored it, it wouldn't have gone on for months. That's the point.

    And, it's easy enough to change her phone number.

    Emotional distress is another BS legal claim. I mean, jesus.. seriously?? Someone's feelings get hurt and that's supposed to be cause for legal action??

    I'm NOT defending what the kids did. They're ****wads. But they do not deserve criminal records for being ****wads.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Then ignore it. Let it be. You should not let what is beyond your powers affect you, because doing so is a waste of energy and yields no positive results.



    If something like that seriously bothers you then you can just change your phone number. Duh.
    Ignore it until when exactly? Until one of them actually does do something that causes physical injury? And why should she have to take that abuse? As a society, we would never allow her parents to do this kind of stuff to her, not even a little bit of this stuff, if it were known to occur. Heck, we wouldn't allow any adults to do this kind of stuff to her. So why should she have to just "ignore it" simply because it is coming from her peers? This is not normal teenage bullying, that is easily ignored. And if you can't see that, well then I feel sorry for your lack of compassion for this girl and cases like hers.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Yes, I do choose to be insulted by someone considering consensual sex to be some kind of rape.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Well, *I* do. Consensual sex isn't rape. And saying that it is, is insulting.


    I'm not saying they aren't ****wads. I'm simply saying that being a ****wad is no reason for criminal charges.
    fine, we disagree. we don't know the details behind the charge, nor do we yet know the full story. i think this was much more than average bullying, else charges wouldn't have been filed.

    kids DO have a right to feel safe at school, period. i rasied my children to stand up for themselves, but everyone doesn't have the same tools, and i think these nasty kids deserve whatever the law throws at them.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Ignore it until when exactly? Until one of them actually does do something that causes physical injury? And why should she have to take that abuse? As a society, we would never allow her parents to do this kind of stuff to her, not even a little bit of this stuff, if it were known to occur. Heck, we wouldn't allow any adults to do this kind of stuff to her. So why should she have to just "ignore it" simply because it is coming from her peers? This is not normal teenage bullying, that is easily ignored. And if you can't see that, well then I feel sorry for your lack of compassion for this girl and cases like hers.
    It's completely normal bullying. I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary yet. Maybe something else will come out, but so far... I've not seen anything that I didn't experience, that my sister didn't experience, that my friends didn't experience both as a teenager and as an adult.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke
    Ignore it until when exactly?
    Ignore it until she graduates.

    Until one of them actually does do something that causes physical injury?
    If that happened then they could be charged with the crime.

    And why should she have to take that abuse?
    Because it is beyond her control.

    As a society, we would never allow her parents to do this kind of stuff to her, not even a little bit of this stuff, if it were known to occur. Heck, we wouldn't allow any adults to do this kind of stuff to her. So why should she have to just "ignore it" simply because it is coming from her peers?
    Because it is legal, and if it is not then she can press charges, but that would probably only make the matters worse.

    This is not normal teenage bullying, that is easily ignored. And if you can't see that, well then I feel sorry for your lack of compassion for this girl and cases like hers.
    It has nothing to do with the "degree of bullying". That's a silly argument.

    EDIT: Actually, could you please tell me why this isn't "normal teenage bullying"? What makes it "more"?
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I've been a kid too, ya know. And bullied. I seriously doubt that bullies "these days" are any different. I was followed, had things thrown at me, called names, threatened with violence. What I did worked perfectly. And I was 14.
    These kids didn't "threaten" violence. They committed violence!

    Statutory rape isn't rape.
    It is according to the LAW. What is your problem with women being raped? Do you seriously believe that all statutory rape is consensual? Seriously

    No, it doesn't. What needs to be done is to let kids be kids and teach them how to deal with mean people. Because coddling them until they're 18 isn't going to help them any when they get into the real world and realize that some people are ****ing assholes.

    If things escalate to physical assaults then of course action should be taken. But name calling?? Give me a break.
    And just how is a teenage girl, maybe 90 pounds, supposed to "deal" with those "mean kids" when boys much bigger and stronger than her are beating on her, throwing soda cans at her head, raping her? How should she deal with many other girsl beating on her? Huh

    Sounds like you have no clue what this story is about or what actually is going on in our kids' schools. I suggest you educate yourself on this. I'd bet the farm that if your son or daughter came to you complaining of being bullied or raped that you would have a serious change of attitude.

    No. We don't need to protect our kids like that. We need to stop coddling them and give them real tools and real values to survive in a world where the teachers and mommy and daddy don't run interference every time someone calls them a bad name.
    It seems you aren't very familiar with a parents' responsibility. Is this the advice you would give to this dead teenager's parents? That they shouldn't have "coddled" her so much?
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