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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    My perspective as someone who has been actually raped is that "Statutory Rape" is a bull**** charge that is insulting to actual rape survivors.

    But I admit I could be biased.
    there are other rape survivors here. i absolutely don't consider statutory rape an insult to other survivors or a bull**** charge. sometimes, maybe, but we don't know what circumstances are involved here.

    we do know that the kids who harassed her continued to do so even after she was dead. to me, that's a pretty ****ing good indication of their character. no remorse. and the mother of one of the perpetrators speaking to the press and blaming the victim? another great character example.

    kids will be kids, but these kids are monsters.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I'm not "hung up" on anything. That's the term the articles use. That's the term most people on here are using. The term itself is insulting. It's implication is insulting.

    The fact that they group rape in with flashing someone and call them both "sexual misconduct" is also insulting.
    That would be true if the word "statutory" was not in front of the word "rape". Context you know.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    there are other rape survivors here. i absolutely don't consider statutory rape an insult to other survivors or a bull**** charge. sometimes, maybe, but we don't know what circumstances are involved here.
    Well, *I* do. Consensual sex isn't rape. And saying that it is, is insulting.

    we do know that the kids who harassed her continued to do so even after she was dead. to me, that's a pretty ****ing good indication of their character. no remorse. and the mother of one of the perpetrators speaking to the press and blaming the victim? another great character example.

    kids will be kids, but these kids are monsters.
    I'm not saying they aren't ****wads. I'm simply saying that being a ****wad is no reason for criminal charges.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That would be true if the word "statutory" was not in front of the word "rape". Context you know.
    Yeah... that makes it all better.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Yeah... that makes it all better.
    Well, if you are rational on the subject. The phrase "statutory rape" means a certain thing, which is entirely different from the solo word "rape". Kinda like the word "woman" means something different than the word "man".
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well, if you are rational on the subject. The phrase "statutory rape" means a certain thing, which is entirely different from the solo word "rape". Kinda like the word "woman" means something different than the word "man".
    Yeah, I know what it means legally. And it's insulting to call it any kind of rape.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Simple. Ignore them. You've said yourself that they're looking for a reaction. If you don't give them one, they get bored and move on.

    Second way, be nice to them. Smile, wave, tell them good morning, etc. Again, not the reaction they're looking for.

    I've found both of these tactics to be extremely successful in getting bullies to stop bullying.


    It's not so much that I don't consider it harassment as I don't consider harassment something worthy of criminal action.

    The only way I would go to the cops is if someone was actually preventing me from living my life in a normal manner. Pounding on my door all night long. Following me everywhere I went and physically pushing me, shoving me. Using their vehicle to prevent mine from moving when I tried to go anywhere. Things like that. Things that actually physically prevent me from living my life normally. But calling me names? Posting mean things about me online?
    rivrrat, I don't think you appreciate the level of what is happening here. All those tactics used to work and usually are good advice. But, kid bullies these days don't take a hint and simply don't stop. Kids are not as strong as adults. They succumb to peer bullying faster and more severely than you or I might. Look, these kids committed rape. Another committed suicide over this ****. This is serious ****! It needs to be stopped before serious crimes are committed.

    This bullying is an epidemic in schools all over the country. It needs to be stopped early and hard. These punks need to be punished to the fullest extent of the law possible. This needs to be used as a teaching moment to school admins and teachers all over to get their attention to take bullying more seriously.

    The "kids will be kids" excuse to ignore this has to be replaced with "we need to protect our kids". It's our responsibility to stop bullying. God damn, this is our children we're talking about. These are serious crimes we're talking about. This ain't "harassment"!
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Yeah, I know what it means legally. And it's insulting to call it any kind of rape.
    Only if you choose to be insulted. It means what it means, if you want to read extra meaning into it, feel free.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    See, I can understand that to a point. There's a point I don't. For example, if a 30 year old instructor convinces his 8 year old student that its prefectly okay to let him touch her there and that its natural and she's a big girl, I think statutory rape is a correct type of law. The 8 year old is in no realm of believability able to make such a large decision with an even close to full understanding of the consequences and is being manipulated by someone in a place of authority over them. There is "consent" there but its not really informed if you get my meaning.

    I understand fully what you mean if its a 14 year old and a 17 year old. Even though I think such an act is extremely skeevy and rather disgusting, I would even say its wrong for say a 30 year old and a 16 year old. But I do think there are points where the Statutory Rape standard is definitely a worthy law.
    But, that wouldn't be statutory rape. It would be molestation. If it DOES fall under statutory rape, then I would agree with you in those extreme circumstances. But the only way I've ever personally seen statutory rape laws applied involve teenagers having consensual sex with one another or someone a couple of years older.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Simple. Ignore them. You've said yourself that they're looking for a reaction. If you don't give them one, they get bored and move on.

    Second way, be nice to them. Smile, wave, tell them good morning, etc. Again, not the reaction they're looking for.

    I've found both of these tactics to be extremely successful in getting bullies to stop bullying.


    It's not so much that I don't consider it harassment as I don't consider harassment something worthy of criminal action.

    The only way I would go to the cops is if someone was actually preventing me from living my life in a normal manner. Pounding on my door all night long. Following me everywhere I went and physically pushing me, shoving me. Using their vehicle to prevent mine from moving when I tried to go anywhere. Things like that. Things that actually physically prevent me from living my life normally. But calling me names? Posting mean things about me online?
    Those reactions don't always work with teenagers. And the harassment continued for at least 3 months (this is from one of the news stories, but another said Sept til she killed herself in Jan). Teenagers are more easily intimidated than adults and, in her particular case, less likely to have a friend there to assure her that doing those things you said would actually work.

    And what you would endure before going to the cops is not necessarily the same as what someone else could endure. Also, since we don't know all the details of the case, there is no telling what kind of things were specifically being done to her outside of school. They had her cell phone number, so maybe they were calling her a lot. It is also possible what I said earlier is true, that they could have placed an ad on Craig's list from her, with her phone number on it, and she could have been also getting calls from that.

    I have no idea what all the details of the case are, but the DA obviously felt she had a good case. I simply don't agree with you that harassment should not be a criminal offense. Intentional acts meant to cause emotional distress should not be overlooked by our justice system just because they are not doing actual physical harm.

    It's not the fact that they did a few things, it's the number of them and the number of things they did, not to mention the pure meanness to all of it. There is no excuse for anyone to act like that towards another person, and she certainly should not have had to just "ignore it" for months.
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