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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    FWIW, the possible charges relate to the specific acts that the students are alleged to have committed. They do not concern the death that resulted from the suicide.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They're not getting charged with her murder or anything else actually directly connected to her suicide, from all the accounts that I have seen. What they are getting charged with are crimes that they were committing against her.

    statutory rape - technically, at least one of the boys, according to the reports, does deserve this charge (personally, I'm not sure I agree with this charge being applied to students in the same school who sleep with each other voluntarily, but I can see the intimidation or corruption issue when talking about such an age difference)

    assault - many schools have charged students with assault routinely for just being a single fight, from the accounts in multiple stories, she wasn't actually in fights, but was being physically assaulted, the details should unfold as the trial(s) begin

    violation of civil rights resulting in injury - they pretty much brought this one on themselves, if, as from the information we have, they wouldn't have specifically insulted her with "Irish slut", there would have been very little chance of this being a charge

    criminal harassment - they obviously were harassing her, even to the point where they were going out of their way to do so, off school property, and it continued on for 4-5 months before she killed herself, putting stuff up about her on various websites, calling her cell phone to harass her, even all the things they were doing to her at school, this is not normal teenage bullying, this is obsessive behavior, meant to get a reaction did they know that she would commit suicide over it-probably not, but they were going for something

    disturbance of a school assembly - I have no idea what this charge relates to, I assume it will come up during the trial(s)

    stalking - if they were following her home to yell at her and throw things at her and/or just showing up in her neighborhood to do the same, then it is stalking I have no idea if they live near her or not, but maybe the DA knows more than we do
    So they aren't charged with "bullying" as the thread suggests? Or as it's been suggested by other articles I've read?

    Anywho, statutory rape is bull**** regardless
    violation of civil rights resulting in injury - bull****
    criminal harassment - bull****
    assault - possibly not bull****, but I don't see much evidence of that atm
    stalking - seriously? For following her home? Bull****.

    They're grasping at straws. They're being charged with bullying.

    Think of it like this, if these were adults doing the same thing to another adult, would you and/or others be complaining about the charges, whether the adult being "bullied" committed suicide or not? (Now obviously the statutory rape and school assembly disturbance charge wouldn't apply in my scenario.)
    Yes, I would be complaining about the charges regardless of age.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    It's a real shame they weren't charged with any of this before she killed herself. It may very likely have saved her life. Her mother had twice asked the school to do something about her daughter's situation. Nothing was done. Maybe her death won't be in vain and other schools will now start paying attention at the first signs of trouble and nip it in the bud.
    Is there an article that addresses what steps the mother took? If she were my daughter, if the school was doing nothing about it, I would take it to the next level and the next level until the situation was addressed.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Holy crap, seriously? Kids being *charged* with bullying? This happens day in and day out, across the country, for decades. Centuries! It's just a fact of life.

    Yes, it's too bad that this girl had a serious over reaction, but it is NOT the fault of the bullies. She made the choice to do what she did. SHE did. HER. Alone.

    Were the kids mean? Yup. Were they assholes? Yup. Did they cause her death? Nope.

    If she had an underlying mental/emotional disorder that led to her being unable to handle negativity, that's not their fault either.
    wasn't she raped, and otherwise physically assaulted?

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They're not getting charged with her murder or anything else actually directly connected to her suicide, from all the accounts that I have seen. What they are getting charged with are crimes that they were committing against her.

    statutory rape - technically, at least one of the boys, according to the reports, does deserve this charge (personally, I'm not sure I agree with this charge being applied to students in the same school who sleep with each other voluntarily, but I can see the intimidation or corruption issue when talking about such an age difference)

    assault - many schools have charged students with assault routinely for just being a single fight, from the accounts in multiple stories, she wasn't actually in fights, but was being physically assaulted, the details should unfold as the trial(s) begin

    violation of civil rights resulting in injury - they pretty much brought this one on themselves, if, as from the information we have, they wouldn't have specifically insulted her with "Irish slut", there would have been very little chance of this being a charge

    criminal harassment - they obviously were harassing her, even to the point where they were going out of their way to do so, off school property, and it continued on for 4-5 months before she killed herself, putting stuff up about her on various websites, calling her cell phone to harass her, even all the things they were doing to her at school, this is not normal teenage bullying, this is obsessive behavior, meant to get a reaction did they know that she would commit suicide over it-probably not, but they were going for something

    disturbance of a school assembly - I have no idea what this charge relates to, I assume it will come up during the trial(s)

    stalking - if they were following her home to yell at her and throw things at her and/or just showing up in her neighborhood to do the same, then it is stalking I have no idea if they live near her or not, but maybe the DA knows more than we do

    Think of it like this, if these were adults doing the same thing to another adult, would you and/or others be complaining about the charges, whether the adult being "bullied" committed suicide or not? (Now obviously the statutory rape and school assembly disturbance charge wouldn't apply in my scenario.)
    correct, adults are charged with crimes for this kind of behavior all the time. maybe these kids will wake up and realize their behavior has consequences, but i doubt it.

    despicable teenagers grow up to be despicable adults.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    It's a real shame they weren't charged with any of this before she killed herself. It may very likely have saved her life. Her mother had twice asked the school to do something about her daughter's situation. Nothing was done. Maybe her death won't be in vain and other schools will now start paying attention at the first signs of trouble and nip it in the bud.
    I agree. I don't believe that all the harassment and bullying would have ended even if the school would have suspended or even expelled these students, considering how much was being done outside of school and online.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    So they aren't charged with "bullying" as the thread suggests? Or as it's been suggested by other articles I've read?

    Anywho, statutory rape is bull**** regardless
    violation of civil rights resulting in injury - bull****
    criminal harassment - bull****
    assault - possibly not bull****, but I don't see much evidence of that atm
    stalking - seriously? For following her home? Bull****.

    They're grasping at straws. They're being charged with bullying.


    Yes, I would be complaining about the charges regardless of age.
    So then you believe that it is alright for someone or a group of people to constantly harass someone else, for 4 to 5 months or longer, as long as they aren't actually physically doing anything to that person then? If this is how you feel, then you probably won't see why these charges are appropriate, at least from what information we have been given.

    Bullying is known as harassment in the adult world.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So then you believe that it is alright for someone or a group of people to constantly harass someone else, for 4 to 5 months or longer, as long as they aren't actually physically doing anything to that person then? If this is how you feel, then you probably won't see why these charges are appropriate, at least from what information we have been given.

    Bullying is known as harassment in the adult world.
    Gonna have to define harrass. Gonna have to tell me *specifically* what they were doing.

    If they were hitting her, then yes... it's assault.

    If they were just calling her names and posting things online? Then no. It's absolute bull****.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Is there an article that addresses what steps the mother took? If she were my daughter, if the school was doing nothing about it, I would take it to the next level and the next level until the situation was addressed.
    After reading the article in the OP and the one MCnoSpin posted, I wanted to find out more about the case so I did a search on Google news. I was especially interested in finding out if her parents were aware of the situation. So far the only one I found was in the NY Daily News where they mention that the mother asked the school twice to do something about what her daughter was going through.

    It's in an article where the mother of one of the girls charged with harrassing Phoebe was trying to defend her daughter's behavior by claiming that Phoebe started it. Which, if true, is interesting in and of itself because she's generally being portrayed as someone who silently endured the abuse.

    Here's the article:

    In Massachusetts, public anger was turning from the Mean Girls - so mean they left vicious comments on Phoebe's Facebook memorial page - to the teachers who repeatedly failed to protect Phoebe, but were not charged criminally.

    District Attorney Elizabeth Scheibel said Phoebe's persecution was "common knowledge" at the school, and even witnessed by teachers, who said nothing.

    Her mother had twice asked school officials to help put a stop to her daughter's misery, Schiebel said.

    The day she killed herself, a teacher saw kids harassing Phoebe in the school library - but said nothing until after the suffering girl's body was found hanging in her home.

    The district attorney called the failure of adults at the school to stop the harassment "troublesome," but not criminal.


    Read more: Mom of teen charged with bullying South Hadley H.S. student Phoebe Prince into suicide blames victim
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Really? Physically assaulting someone is a crime, but maybe you don't know that.
    Yes, it is. However there is no evidence that the physical assult directly lead to the death. It doesn't fit your example. In your example the physical assult actually directly led to the death, albiet due to the metal plate in the head. In this case, it didn't. You could say it contributed to the emotional state that caused her to hang herself, but ultimately it was her choices based on her emotional state that did it, not the can.

    If the can of red bull hit her, she fell back into a noose, and became hung...then sure, your egg shell thing works. if the can of red bull hit her, caused her to bleed, and she had a condition of unclotting blood and died from that, then it'd work. But there's no direct link between the assualt and the death.

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    wasn't she raped, and otherwise physically assaulted?
    I believe what Jall and Riv are pointing out is that there is no evidence or assertions being made that it was a violent rape or an unwilling rape, the kinds normally thought of as being linked with assault, but statutory rape due to concensual sex between essentially two kids.

    I imagine if it was actually charges of just plain rape, or if there was some kind of evidence or testimony of it being non-concensual or coerced that Riv would feel differently. However I think what she is saying is that a 15 year old and a 17 year old choosing to have sex with each other and it being called rape is "bull****".

    Hell, if that's rape then I was raped as that was the age between me and my older gilfriend the first time I had sex. And I would never even dream of claiming such a completely idiotic thing as I would think it'd be an insult to all those that actually suffered the true traumatic events that is actual rape

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